Return-Path: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:22585 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755429Ab3CETDZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:03:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:03:12 -0500 From: Jeff Layton To: Tejun Heo Cc: "Myklebust, Trond" , Oleg Nesterov , Mandeep Singh Baines , Ming Lei , "J. Bruce Fields" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Andrew Morton , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Message-ID: <20130305140312.243cb094@tlielax.poochiereds.net> In-Reply-To: <20130305174954.GG12795@htj.dyndns.org> References: <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA9286AD113@sacexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com> <20130304092310.1d21100c@tlielax.poochiereds.net> <20130304205307.GA13527@redhat.com> <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA9286AEEB0@sacexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com> <20130305082308.6607d4db@tlielax.poochiereds.net> <20130305174648.GF12795@htj.dyndns.org> <20130305174954.GG12795@htj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:49:54 -0800 Tejun Heo wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:46:48AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote: > > So, I think this is why implementing freezer as a separate blocking > > mechanism isn't such a good idea. We're effectively introducing a > > completely new waiting state to a lot of unsuspecting paths which > > generates a lot of risks and eventually extra complexity to work > > around those. I think we really should update freezer to re-use the > > blocking points we already have - the ones used for signal delivery > > and ptracing. That way, other code paths don't have to worry about an > > extra stop state and we can confine most complexities to freezer > > proper. > > Also, consolidating those wait states means that we can solve the > event-to-response latency problem for all three cases - signal, ptrace > and freezer, rather than adding separate backing-out strategy for > freezer. > Sounds intriguing... I'm not sure what this really means for something like NFS though. How would you envision this working when we have long running syscalls that might sit waiting in the kernel indefinitely? Here's my blue-sky, poorly-thought-out idea... We could add a signal (e.g. SIGFREEZE) that allows the sleeps in NFS/RPC layer to be interrupted. Those would return back toward userland with a particular type of error (sort of like ERESTARTSYS). Before returning from the kernel though, we could freeze the process. When it wakes up, then we could go back down and retry the call again (much like an ERESTARTSYS kind of thing). The tricky part here is that we'd need to distinguish between the case where we caught SIGFREEZE before sending an RPC vs. after. If we sent the call before freezing, then we don't want to resend it again. It might be a non-idempotent operation. Sounds horrific to code up though... :) -- Jeff Layton