Return-Path: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: from fieldses.org ([174.143.236.118]:48203 "EHLO fieldses.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751167Ab3J1VCx (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:02:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:02:47 -0400 From: "J. Bruce Fields" To: "Haynes, Tom" Cc: Marc Eshel , Spencer Shepler , Mailing List Linux NFS , Christoph Anton Mitterer , "Myklebust, Trond" , Steve Dickson , "nfsv4@ietf.org nfsv4@ietf.org" , Ric Wheeler , "linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [nfsv4] XATTRs in NFS? Message-ID: <20131028210247.GM31322@fieldses.org> References: <1382920068.6932.46.camel@heisenberg.scientia.net> <2E672741-FE4F-4287-8D00-B7634A71709E@netapp.com> <526E8562.3040809@redhat.com> <1382976943.8774.10.camel@heisenberg.scientia.net> <526EA65A.7010209@redhat.com> <20131028180838.GG31322@fieldses.org> <526EAD86.6090507@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 08:55:06PM +0000, Haynes, Tom wrote: > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Marc Eshel wrote: > > > Hi Spencer, > > Is it still possible to get on the agenda fir IETF 88, I just got approval > > to travel. We can use about 15 minutes, or what ever is available to > > discussion the future of named attributes in NFS. The two main questions > > that we need answer are: > > 1. Do we need them? what applications use them and how. > > 2. Can we have a more simple model that handles just user attributes. > > > > Input is welcome to help me make the case at the meeting. > > > > Thanks, Marc. > > > > > Be sure to call out why they currently do or do not work. And we also need to keep clear the distinctions between: - NFSv4 named attributes/streams/forks and "extended attributes" as implemented in Linux and elsewhere. - user.* xattrs and "back-door ioctls". (Your description above seems to confuse named attributes and Linux extended attributes.) --b.