Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:32:42 -0400
From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: i_version vs iversion (Was: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Btrfs: add
 noi_version option to disable MS_I_VERSION)
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 06:12:57PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 02:46:44PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > Looks OK to me.  As I say I'd expect i_version_seen == true to end up
> > being the common case in a lot of v4 workloads, so I'm more skeptical of
> > the claim of a performance improvement in the v4 case.
> 
> Well, so long as we require i_version to be committed to disk on every
> single disk write, we're going to be trading off:
> 
> 	* client-side performance of the advanced NFSv4 cacheing for reads
> 	* server-side performance for writes
> 	* data robustness in case of the server crashing and the client-side cache
> 	  getting out of sync with the server after the crash
> 
> I don't see any way around that.  (So for example, with lazy mtime
> updates we wouldn't be updating the inode after every single
> non-allocating write; enabling i_version updates will trash that
> optimization.)
> 
> I just want to reduce to a bare minimum the performance hit in the
> case where NFSv4 exports are not being used (since that is true in a
> very *large* number of ext4 deployments --- i.e., every single Android
> handset using ext4 :-), such that we can leave i_version updates
> turned on by default.

Definitely understood.  I think it's a good idea.

> > Could maintaining the new flag be a significant drag in itself?  If not,
> > then I guess we're not making things any worse there, so fine.
> 
> I don't think so; it's a bit in the in-memory inode, so I don't think
> that should be an issue.

OK!

--b.