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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:57:59 -0400
From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
Cc: "Mkrtchyan, Tigran" <tigran.mkrtchyan@desy.de>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] nfsd: allow nfsd to advertise multiple layout types
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On Wed, Jun 01, 2016 at 08:55:24AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-06-01 at 08:51 -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 03:00:40PM +0200, Mkrtchyan, Tigran wrote:
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > > 
> > > I have tested the patch. Works as expected.
> > > I am able to use flexfiles with latest kernel
> > > while older client use nfs4_file_layout. So
> > 
> > Please just add a comment documenting the issue with older clients
> > and
> > what we're doing to keep them working, so that we don't accidentally
> > break that.
> > 
> > --b.
> > 
> 
> Will do.
> 
> To be clear too...Tigran only tested the client side piece of this
> patchset vs. his own server that hands out multiple layouts. He didn't
> actually test the knfsd patch even though his response was to this
> thread.

Oh, I didn't follow that, thanks, got it.

--b.

> 
> Sorry about the messy patch posting. I'll re-post the set once I've
> retested the latest changes.
> 
> > > 
> > > Teset-by:
> > > 
> > > Unrelated to you patch (as it now fails with my as well),
> > > flex file layout hangs on write with 4.7-rc1 (and 4.6.0).
> > > The same test works with nfs4_files. I will recompile with
> > > an older version, where I tested in the past (4.5-rc3?).
> > > 
> > > I will start a new email with my discoveries.
> > > 
> > > Tigran.
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
> > > > To: "Weston Andros Adamson" <dros@monkey.org>, "Tigran Mkrtchyan"
> > > > <tigran.mkrtchyan@desy.de>
> > > > Cc: "linux-nfs list" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>, "Tom Haynes" <t
> > > > homas.haynes@primarydata.com>, "Christoph Hellwig"
> > > > <hch@lst.de>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:47:30 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] nfsd: allow nfsd to advertise multiple
> > > > layout types
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 21:10 -0400, Weston Andros Adamson wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On May 30, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Mkrtchyan, Tigran  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You have explicit order in set_pnfs_layoutdriver function.
> > > > > > Your patch looks like ot to me. I will try it with our
> > > > > > server and will let you know.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tigran.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Mkrtchyan, Tigran" <tigran.mkrtchyan@desy.de>
> > > > > > > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, "Tom Haynes" , "Christoph
> > > > > > > Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:05:20 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] nfsd: allow nfsd to advertise
> > > > > > > multiple layout types
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 19:04 +0200, Mkrtchyan, Tigran wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > From: "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Mkrtchyan, Tigran" <tigran.mkrtchyan@desy.de>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, "Tom Haynes" ,
> > > > > > > > > "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 6:51:38 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] nfsd: allow nfsd to advertise
> > > > > > > > > multiple layout types
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 17:47 +0200, Mkrtchyan, Tigran
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Tom Haynes" <thomas.haynes@primarydata.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > "Christoph Hellwig"
> > > > > > > > > > > <hch@lst.de>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:06:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] nfsd: allow nfsd to
> > > > > > > > > > > advertise multiple layout types
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2016-05-29 at 16:59 -0400, Jeff Layton
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > If the underlying filesystem supports multiple
> > > > > > > > > > > > layout types, then there
> > > > > > > > > > > > is little reason not to advertise that fact to
> > > > > > > > > > > > clients and let them
> > > > > > > > > > > > choose what type to use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Turn the ex_layout_type field into a bitfield.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For each supported
> > > > > > > > > > > > layout type, we set a bit in that field. When the
> > > > > > > > > > > > client requests a
> > > > > > > > > > > > layout, ensure that the bit for that layout type
> > > > > > > > > > > > is set. When the
> > > > > > > > > > > > client requests attributes, send back a list of
> > > > > > > > > > > > supported types.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jeff.layton@primaryda
> > > > > > > > > > > > ta.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > >  fs/nfsd/export.c      |  4 ++--
> > > > > > > > > > > >  fs/nfsd/export.h      |  2 +-
> > > > > > > > > > > >  fs/nfsd/nfs4layouts.c |  6 +++---
> > > > > > > > > > > >  fs/nfsd/nfs4proc.c    |  4 ++--
> > > > > > > > > > > >  fs/nfsd/nfs4xdr.c     | 30 ++++++++++++++-------
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------
> > > > > > > > > > > >  5 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 24
> > > > > > > > > > > > deletions(-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfsd/export.c b/fs/nfsd/export.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > index b4d84b579f20..f97ba49d5e66 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfsd/export.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfsd/export.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -706,7 +706,7 @@ static void
> > > > > > > > > > > > svc_export_init(struct cache_head *cnew, struct
> > > > > > > > > > > > cache_head *citem)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_fslocs.locations = NULL;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_fslocs.locations_count = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_fslocs.migrated = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	new->ex_layout_type = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	new->ex_layout_types = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_uuid = NULL;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->cd = item->cd;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -731,7 +731,7 @@ static void
> > > > > > > > > > > > export_update(struct cache_head *cnew, struct
> > > > > > > > > > > > cache_head *citem)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	item->ex_fslocs.locations_count = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_fslocs.migrated = item-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_fslocs.migrated;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	item->ex_fslocs.migrated = 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	new->ex_layout_type = item-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_type;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	new->ex_layout_types = item-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_types;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	new->ex_nflavors = item->ex_nflavors;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	for (i = 0; i < MAX_SECINFO_LIST; i++) {
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		new->ex_flavors[i] = item-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_flavors[i];
> > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfsd/export.h b/fs/nfsd/export.h
> > > > > > > > > > > > index 2e315072bf3f..730f15eeb7ed 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfsd/export.h
> > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfsd/export.h
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ struct svc_export {
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	struct nfsd4_fs_locations ex_fslocs;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	uint32_t		ex_nflavors;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	struct exp_flavor_info	ex_flavors
> > > > > > > > > > > > [MAX_SECINFO_LIST];
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	enum pnfs_layouttype	ex_layout_ty
> > > > > > > > > > > > pe;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	u32			ex_layout_typ
> > > > > > > > > > > > es;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	struct nfsd4_deviceid_map *ex_devid_map;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	struct cache_detail	*cd;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  };
> > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfsd/nfs4layouts.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > b/fs/nfsd/nfs4layouts.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > index 6d98d16b3354..2be9602b0221 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfsd/nfs4layouts.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfsd/nfs4layouts.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -139,21 +139,21 @@ void
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_setup_layout_type(struct svc_export *exp)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	 * otherwise advertise the block layout.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	 */
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #ifdef CONFIG_NFSD_FLEXFILELAYOUT
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	exp->ex_layout_type = LAYOUT_FLEX_FILES;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	exp->ex_layout_types |= 1 <<
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_FLEX_FILES;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #endif
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #ifdef CONFIG_NFSD_BLOCKLAYOUT
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	/* overwrite flex file layout selection
> > > > > > > > > > > > if needed */
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	if (sb->s_export_op->get_uuid &&
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	    sb->s_export_op->map_blocks &&
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	    sb->s_export_op->commit_blocks)
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		exp->ex_layout_type =
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_BLOCK_VOLUME;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		exp->ex_layout_types |= 1 <<
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_BLOCK_VOLUME;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #endif
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #ifdef CONFIG_NFSD_SCSILAYOUT
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	/* overwrite block layout selection if
> > > > > > > > > > > > needed */
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	if (sb->s_export_op->map_blocks &&
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	    sb->s_export_op->commit_blocks &&
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	    sb->s_bdev && sb->s_bdev->bd_disk-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >fops->pr_ops)
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		exp->ex_layout_type =
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_SCSI;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		exp->ex_layout_types |= 1 <<
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_SCSI;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #endif
> > > > > > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfsd/nfs4proc.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > b/fs/nfsd/nfs4proc.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > index 2ee2dc170327..719c620753e2 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfsd/nfs4proc.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfsd/nfs4proc.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -1219,12 +1219,12 @@ nfsd4_verify(struct
> > > > > > > > > > > > svc_rqst *rqstp, struct
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_compound_state *cstate,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  static const struct nfsd4_layout_ops *
> > > > > > > > > > > >  nfsd4_layout_verify(struct svc_export *exp,
> > > > > > > > > > > > unsigned int layout_type)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	if (!exp->ex_layout_type) {
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	if (!exp->ex_layout_types) {
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		dprintk("%s: export does not
> > > > > > > > > > > > support pNFS\n", __func__);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		return NULL;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	}
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	if (exp->ex_layout_type != layout_type)
> > > > > > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	if (!(exp->ex_layout_types & (1 <<
> > > > > > > > > > > > layout_type))) {
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		dprintk("%s: layout type %d not
> > > > > > > > > > > > supported\n",
> > > > > > > > > > > >  			__func__, layout_type);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		return NULL;
> > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfsd/nfs4xdr.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > b/fs/nfsd/nfs4xdr.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > index 9df898ba648f..4d3ae75ad4c8 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfsd/nfs4xdr.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfsd/nfs4xdr.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -2164,22 +2164,20 @@
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_encode_aclname(struct xdr_stream *xdr,
> > > > > > > > > > > > struct
> > > > > > > > > > > > svc_rqst *rqstp,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  static inline __be32
> > > > > > > > > > > > -nfsd4_encode_layout_type(struct xdr_stream *xdr,
> > > > > > > > > > > > enum pnfs_layouttype
> > > > > > > > > > > > layout_type)
> > > > > > > > > > > > +nfsd4_encode_layout_types(struct xdr_stream
> > > > > > > > > > > > *xdr, u32 layout_types)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	__be32 *p;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	__be32		*p;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	unsigned long	i =
> > > > > > > > > > > > hweight_long(layout_types);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	if (layout_type) {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		p = xdr_reserve_space(xdr, 8);
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		if (!p)
> > > > > > > > > > > > -			return nfserr_resource;
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		*p++ = cpu_to_be32(1);
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		*p++ = cpu_to_be32(layout_type);
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	} else {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		p = xdr_reserve_space(xdr, 4);
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		if (!p)
> > > > > > > > > > > > -			return nfserr_resource;
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		*p++ = cpu_to_be32(0);
> > > > > > > > > > > > -	}
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	p = xdr_reserve_space(xdr, 4 + 4 * i);
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	if (!p)
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		return nfserr_resource;
> > > > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	*p++ = cpu_to_be32(i);
> > > > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > > > +	for (i = LAYOUT_NFSV4_1_FILES; i <
> > > > > > > > > > > > LAYOUT_TYPE_MAX; ++i)
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		if (layout_types & (1 << i))
> > > > > > > > > > > > +			*p++ = cpu_to_be32(i);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	return 0;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -2754,13 +2752,13 @@ out_acl:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	}
> > > > > > > > > > > >  #ifdef CONFIG_NFSD_PNFS
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	if (bmval1 &
> > > > > > > > > > > > FATTR4_WORD1_FS_LAYOUT_TYPES) {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		status =
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_encode_layout_type(xdr, exp-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_type);
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		status =
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_encode_layout_types(xdr, exp-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_types);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		if (status)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  			goto out;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	}
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	if (bmval2 & FATTR4_WORD2_LAYOUT_TYPES)
> > > > > > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > > > > > -		status =
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_encode_layout_type(xdr, exp-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_type);
> > > > > > > > > > > > +		status =
> > > > > > > > > > > > nfsd4_encode_layout_types(xdr, exp-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >ex_layout_types);
> > > > > > > > > > > >  		if (status)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  			goto out;
> > > > > > > > > > > >  	}
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Just a (lightly-tested) RFC patch for now.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > This seems to do the right thing WRT to GETATTR
> > > > > > > > > > > response that requests
> > > > > > > > > > > a layout types list. The current client code spews
> > > > > > > > > > > this into the ring
> > > > > > > > > > > buffer though:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >     NFS: decode_first_pnfs_layout_type: Warning:
> > > > > > > > > > > Multiple pNFS layout drivers per
> > > > > > > > > > >     filesystem not supported
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > ...so that would need a little work. Wireshark also
> > > > > > > > > > > seems to not parse
> > > > > > > > > > > the layout types list correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I had an attempt to add multi-layout support into the
> > > > > > > > > > client:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/0day-ci/linux/commit/e2d792dc32b82
> > > > > > > > > > ffc511b009c0a8db5313126888e
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I can't find it in the list archive. This explains
> > > > > > > > > > why Trond never
> > > > > > > > > > respond to it.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Tigran.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Thanks. I had already rolled one up that does a
> > > > > > > > > different approach of a
> > > > > > > > > hardcoded selection order in the client code and sent
> > > > > > > > > it as an RFC.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So...yours assumes that the server will send the
> > > > > > > > > "default" one first in
> > > > > > > > > the list, but AFAICT, the spec doesn't say anything
> > > > > > > > > about the
> > > > > > > > > fs_layout_type list being ordered in any way. I don't
> > > > > > > > > think we can make
> > > > > > > > > that assumption. Am I wrong there?
> > > > > > > > Imagine a muti-layout server in a deployment, where some
> > > > > > > > client are old (RHEL6)
> > > > > > > > and some clients are new. RHEL6 will always take only the
> > > > > > > > first one and fail, if
> > > > > > > > it wasn't nfs4_file_layout. But, if we always return
> > > > > > > > 'well-known' as a first
> > > > > > > > one,
> > > > > > > > then, then RHEL6 clients will be able to coexists with
> > > > > > > > newer clients.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Our server can provide flexfile layouts, but 99% of our
> > > > > > > > clients are
> > > > > > > > RHEL6-clones.
> > > > > > > > This stops us from enable flexfile support, unless we add
> > > > > > > > per-client based
> > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > of layout type.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Tigran.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ahh ok, I see what you mean...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So yeah, I don't think the spec places any significance on
> > > > > > > the order of
> > > > > > > the list, but we some de-facto precedence due to legacy
> > > > > > > clients. Not
> > > > > > > much we can do about that. I guess all you can do for those
> > > > > > > clients is
> > > > > > > just ensure that the first entry is the one most likely to
> > > > > > > be usable by
> > > > > > > those clients.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This patch just orders the list by numerical value of the
> > > > > > > layout type
> > > > > > > constants. If someone can offer up a sane argument for
> > > > > > > ordering the
> > > > > > > list in a different fashion, then I'm OK with doing that.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jeff, this patch looks good to me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As for backward compatibility, we could do some complicated
> > > > > client
> > > > > support detection (implementation ID based or fallback if
> > > > > layout is rejected),
> > > > > but that’s probably going overboard for now.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, this is a step in the right direction I think, but we may
> > > > need to
> > > > do something more elaborate eventually.
> > > > 
> > > > > Maybe we should just hardcode this array instead of building it
> > > > > in the
> > > > > order of the numerical value of each layout type. We could add
> > > > > them in
> > > > > the order that the client supported them.
> > > > >  I think that would fix Tigran’s
> > > > > problem. Maybe it’s already in this order as client support
> > > > > quickly followed
> > > > > layout type number allocation?
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hmm...knfsd only supports block, scsi and flexfiles (as of Tom's
> > > > patches). We might want to re-sort the list so that scsi comes
> > > > first,
> > > > actually? OTOH...block was there first so maybe it ought to be
> > > > first?
> > > > Hard to know without knowing exactly what sort of clients you
> > > > have.
> > > > 
> > > > Either way, the order of the array that the server sends and the
> > > > preference of the client for various layouts can both definitely
> > > > be
> > > > changed.
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps this isn't a one-size-fits-all situation and it needs to
> > > > be
> > > > configurable somehow at the client and/or server?
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