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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4BED40FAF015D84A8849A3BC764A6702@namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB4688.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 098cfa39-0491-466a-fc8e-08d91950aa38 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 May 2021 16:27:29.1982 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: Mn1xZlKX7gagQbKmCAs0lZzWNM+Un4MRhGpoL6oQtnCxOtre4rtCjaPcDLtdn/7VQPxUnsR4N3Dgo6R+pn8oAQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR10MB3858 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9987 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105170112 X-Proofpoint-GUID: cHUM_DF5WyaNyN-UWV00_vzVVVritOC7 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: cHUM_DF5WyaNyN-UWV00_vzVVVritOC7 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9987 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105170112 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org Hello Timo- > On May 16, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Timo Rothenpieler wr= ote: >=20 > This has happened 3 times so far over the last couple months, and I do no= t have a clear way to reproduce it. > It happens under moderate load, when lots of nodes read and write from th= e server. Though not in any super intense way. Just normal program executio= n, writing of light logs, and other standard tasks. >=20 > The issues on the clients manifest in a multitude of ways. Most of the ti= me, random IO operations just fail, rarely hang indefinitely and make the p= rocess unkillable. > Another example would be: "Failed to remove '.../.nfs00000000007b03af0000= 0001': Device or resource busy" >=20 > Once a client is in that state, the only way to get it back into order is= a reboot. >=20 > On the server side, a single error cqe is dumped each time this problem h= appened. So far, I always rebooted the server as well, to make sure everyth= ing is back in order. Not sure if that is strictly necessary. >=20 >> [561889.198889] infiniband mlx5_0: dump_cqe:272:(pid 709): dump error cq= e >> [561889.198945] 00000000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [561889.198984] 00000010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [561889.199023] 00000020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [561889.199061] 00000030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 88 13 08 00 01 13 07 47 67 d= 2 >=20 >> [985074.602880] infiniband mlx5_0: dump_cqe:272:(pid 599): dump error cq= e >> [985074.602921] 00000000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [985074.602946] 00000010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [985074.602970] 00000020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 0 >> [985074.602994] 00000030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 88 13 08 00 01 46 f2 93 0b d= 3 >=20 >> [1648894.168819] infiniband ibp1s0: dump_cqe:272:(pid 696): dump error c= qe >> [1648894.168853] 00000000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 = 00 >> [1648894.168878] 00000010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 = 00 >> [1648894.168903] 00000020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 = 00 >> [1648894.168928] 00000030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 88 13 08 00 01 08 6b d2 b9 = d3 I'm hoping Leon can get out his magic decoder ring and tell us if these CQE dumps contain a useful WC status code. Meanwhile, you could try 5.11 or 5.12 on your NFS server to see if the problem persists. > These all happened under different Versions of the 5.10 Kernel. The last = one under 5.10.32 today. >=20 > Switching all clients to TCP seems to make NFS works perfectly reliable. >=20 > I'm not sure how to read those error dumps, so help there would be apprec= iated. >=20 > Could this be similar to spurious issues you get with UDP, where dropped = packages cause havoc? Though I would not expect heavy load on IB to cause a= n error cqe to be logged. The underlying RDMA connection for RPC/RDMA is reliable (lossless), so I don't see an immediate relation to how RPC/UDP might behave. -- Chuck Lever