Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:f3d0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id a16csp4630872pxv; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwaHPEl80MCEiCM1KzcrgQ+AA+O0lpq+4omKRSVE8O4HG/xz5otr5j1CQjzEp20fLXH/6/n X-Received: by 2002:aa7:ce17:: with SMTP id d23mr41461256edv.314.1624991648276; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1624991648; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=ht8lWnYH005XB6ag29RKQzvo2bzQdoRKronVX/uGI9yp2u6D3sAM0ZMrBMV0GSUJNu uy375s1P0zRYgo3UIWSZPSJvcJNCgSnXGl5H2dnl25IOyCbyjfrBLpap86gAjNzsoR7m Ln0vIPQ+aRjH57v4ytusM6qlWwf8CCxp7sDcQst89B2mxm5NSN94+30877uV6V8UPvF5 8q0IRx1WM+S/IL36vpmgo7pPZqnRyZgN6hWfV/XnDV3ro8XMLzUFnjjdl6pHejM0jAtE 4SLNgKTpsm8jh9MbDR4P0lXClY0vzbtkSAP2Muiv0h6FMhtgBNjy+qmvje3gDC1UAArv seeg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date :dkim-signature:dkim-filter; bh=oYKACCqdjAYqAB4CvyR4NHowPlIjpAPhb05W7zkPQug=; b=mM+ddHSIbV+uvBeI1b42ZAUpJR/N2tUkvp4m3gTcCPYp4cgWRig+5KRe4AEYsxmNgM 8uya4kp6uSBSzk2BtLDCyJytKK5rXrjMYyRXtKz6sdIdlrXeD7PgmPJitRIGsFSFSU6f mqAvTF5xiG2ohRj2jVFz+wEugV05rPqXeGpk/pUyR8cJKAzoY+FbpGTCbzu7G3kz37KT j3JsmjmiZddr6ss17W+6qxCIIjDYbsfcMx1J8X9z7DANfjA1n7z/AN2/866GsaA9PQNt DwTJC5eT023krpZGakHT6OmV+Jem/NtArf98fFbGTlixskrUs8dL/FkIM2+uvhthgqlL Hcug== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fieldses.org header.s=default header.b=tx4efYnB; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n10si17448547edo.129.2021.06.29.11.33.43; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fieldses.org header.s=default header.b=tx4efYnB; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234700AbhF2Sf0 (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:35:26 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:44224 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231169AbhF2Sf0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:35:26 -0400 Received: from fieldses.org (fieldses.org [IPv6:2600:3c00:e000:2f7::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DA1EC061760; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fieldses.org (Postfix, from userid 2815) id 0034C478E; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:32:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 fieldses.org 0034C478E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fieldses.org; s=default; t=1624991578; bh=oYKACCqdjAYqAB4CvyR4NHowPlIjpAPhb05W7zkPQug=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=tx4efYnBjk2atut7H+lbKtg4hH+Qmk+jB7SYAjNOy3ENbLvUehisuzG/87ajsGwHi Ueozy011i1LJVVIp49hA8gQ8roLXhw1tOZ/z6vSPIBC4I6IQxtNf482E4TFsKl6qU1 KiTuiYhOdllcH8xQifbH34upUgFyX8GnOJqZquy0= Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:32:57 -0400 From: "bfields@fieldses.org" To: NeilBrown Cc: Trond Myklebust , "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" , "dai.ngo@oracle.com" , "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: automatic freeing of space on ENOSPC Message-ID: <20210629183257.GA1926@fieldses.org> References: <20210628194908.GB6776@fieldses.org> <9f1263b46d5c38b9590db1e2a04133a83772bc50.camel@hammerspace.com> <20210629011200.GA14733@fieldses.org> <162493102550.7211.15170485925982544813@noble.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <162493102550.7211.15170485925982544813@noble.neil.brown.name> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:43:45AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote: > I wonder how important this is. If an NFS client unlinks a file that it > has open, it will be silly_renamed, and if the client then goes silent, > it might never be removed. So we already theoretically have a > possibilty of ENOSPC due to silent clients. Have we heard of this > becoming a problem? Oh, that's a good point. I've seen complaints about sillyrename files, but I can't recall ever seen a single complaint about their causing ENOSPC. > Is there reason to think that the Courteous server changes will make > this problem more likely? So I guess the only new cases the courteous server will introduce are even less likely (probably just the case where a file is unlinked by a client other than the one that has it open). So I think doing nothing for now is an acceptable alternative.... --b.