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From:   Martin Wege <martin.l.wege@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:42:02 +0100
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Subject: altruistic company who can save linux-nfs.org? Re: Who owns
 bugzilla.linux-nfs.org - account creation broken? Re: How owns
 bugzilla.linux-nfs.org? Fwd: [Bug 218138] NFSv4 referrals - no way to define
 custom (non-2049) port numbers for referrals
To:     Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Cc:     Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
        Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
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On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 7:36=E2=80=AFPM Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@oracle=
.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:03=E2=80=AFPM, Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspa=
ce.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 17:03 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:49=E2=80=AFAM, Trond Myklebust
> >>> <trondmy@hammerspace.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 16:41 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:42=E2=80=AFAM, Cedric Blancher
> >>>>> <cedric.blancher@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 08:42, Cedric Blancher
> >>>>> <cedric.blancher@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How owns bugzilla.linux-nfs.org?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apologies for the type, it should be "who", not "how".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But the problem remains, I still did not get an account
> >>>>> creation
> >>>>> token
> >>>>> via email for *ANY* of my email addresses. It appears account
> >>>>> creation
> >>>>> is broken.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trond owns it. But he's already showed me the SMTP log from
> >>>> Sunday night: a token was sent out. Have you checked your
> >>>> spam folders?
> >>>
> >>> I'm closing it down. It has been run and paid for by me, but I
> >>> don't
> >>> have time or resources to keep doing so.
> >>
> >> Understood about lack of resources, but is there no-one who can
> >> take over for you, at least in the short term? Yanking it out
> >> without warning is not cool.
> >>
> >> Does this announcement include git.linux-nfs.org
> >> <http://git.linux-nfs.org/> and
> >> wiki.linux-nfs.org <http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/> as well?
> >>
> >> As this site is a long-time community-used resource, it would
> >> be fair if we could come up with a transition plan if it truly
> >> needs to go away.
> >>
> >
> > Ever since the NFSv4 code went into the kernel, I've been telling you
> > that bugzilla.linux-nfs.org is deprecated.
>
> I don't recall that, and the usual courteous thing to do is
> put a banner on the log in page for a time, or at least
> warn folks that the site going away imminently.
>
>
> > We don't need 2 bug tracking
> > resources, and bugzilla.kernel.org is the more general option that
> > tracks all Linux kernel related issues.
>
> bugzilla.linux-nfs.org <http://bugzilla.linux-nfs.org/> is for upstream n=
fs-utils bugs too,
> and I think there were even one or two TI-RPC related bugs
> there as well. So, not redundant in the least.
>
> But I see you've already taken the whole thing down, so I
> guess that's moot.
>
> I can only regard the tone and suddenness of this removal
> as a personal jab, since you know very well that Jeff and
> I were still using the site and that we had bugs and to-dos
> in flight.

Could you please tone it down? I don't think it was intended as a
"personal jab". Sounds more like Trond is in pain.

But I'm also sour about this, but for different reasons: There is no
single altruistic company who easily can help out quickly since Sun
Microsystems went down.
I bitterly remember the LinuxTag/LinuxWorld conferences here in
Germany where they were singing mocking songs about SUN&Solaris,
"Linux WON, we'll take over the world' blabla. They forgot who helped
them, and were always nice to the Opensource world.

Who is left now?

SUN is gone, HP&IBM mostly look at money (that includes Redhat, who
now gets ruined by IBM's bean counters), and who is left and will
altruistically help out in such a situation?

Thanks,
Martin