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From:   Benjamin Coddington <bcodding@redhat.com>
To:     Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
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Subject: Re: Who owns bugzilla.linux-nfs.org - account creation broken? Re:
 How owns bugzilla.linux-nfs.org? Fwd: [Bug 218138] NFSv4 referrals - no way
 to define custom (non-2049) port numbers for referrals
Date:   Mon, 20 Nov 2023 11:09:01 -0500
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On 19 Nov 2023, at 21:03, Trond Myklebust wrote:

> On Mon, 2023-11-20 at 01:07 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Trond Myklebust
>>> <trondmy@hammerspace.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 15:45 -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/23 12:03 PM, Chuck Lever III wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Trond Myklebust
>>>>>> <trondmy@hammerspace.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 16:41 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Blancher
>>>>>>>> <cedric.blancher@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 08:42, Cedric Blancher
>>>>>>>> <cedric.blancher@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How owns bugzilla.linux-nfs.org?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies for the type, it should be "who", not "how".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the problem remains, I still did not get an account
>>>>>>>> creation
>>>>>>>> token
>>>>>>>> via email for *ANY* of my email addresses. It appears
>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>> creation
>>>>>>>> is broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trond owns it. But he's already showed me the SMTP log from
>>>>>>> Sunday night: a token was sent out. Have you checked your
>>>>>>> spam folders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm closing it down. It has been run and paid for by me, but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> have time or resources to keep doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood about lack of resources, but is there no-one who can
>>>>> take over for you, at least in the short term? Yanking it out
>>>>> without warning is not cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this announcement include git.linux-nfs.org
>>>>> <http://git.linux-nfs.org/> and
>>>>> wiki.linux-nfs.org <http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/> as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> As this site is a long-time community-used resource, it would
>>>>> be fair if we could come up with a transition plan if it truly
>>>>> needs to go away.
>>>>
>>>> If you need resources and time... Please reach out...
>>>>
>>>> This is a community... I'm sure we can figure something out.
>>>> But please turn it back on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So far, I've heard a lot of 'we should', and a lot of 'we could'.
>>>
>>> What I have yet to hear are the magic words "I volunteer to help
>>> maintain these services".
>>
>> I volunteer to help. I can do as much or as little as you prefer.
>> And I volunteer to lead an effort to either:
>>
>> a) find a replacement issue tracking service, or
>>
>> b) find a way to archive the content of the bugzilla if we agree
>> there is no more need for a bugzilla.linux-nfs.
>>
>> Or both.
>>
>> There is no way for us to know how much effort it takes if you
>> suffer in silence, my friend.
>
> The point is that email has evolved over the 18 years since I set up
> the very first linux-nfs.org. I have not had time to keep up with the
> requirements of adding support for DMARC, SPF, etc. which is why
> Cedric's account setup email is probably in his spam folder, assuming
> that the gmail server even accepted it at all.
>
> Furthermore, both the wikimedia and bugzilla instances are far from
> running the most recent code versions and I'm sure there are plenty of
> well known security holes etc to exploit. So both code bases have been
> needing an upgrade for a while now.
>
> Finally, the VM itself is still running RHEL/CentOS 7, and I'd like to
> see it migrated to a platform that is is still maintained.
>
> All these tasks would need help from the person (or people?) who
> volunteers to maintain the bugzilla + wiki services. Some of them would
> need to be 100% owned by that person, and others (like the platform
> upgrade) would need a lot of coordination with me.
>
> IOW: I'm not advocating either way. I can understand wanting to migrate
> away from the current setup to something that is maintained by someone
> else. However if anyone does wants to take on the job of helping to
> maintain the current setup, then they need to know that it will involve
> real work.

I'm late to this thread, but I also volunteer to help with this work.

The nfsv4.dev infra uses mailgun for SMTP delivery, the flex plan is free
for up to 1000 msg/month, +1$US for +1001, at $.001/msg.

Ben