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[23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p19si17095624plq.411.2021.10.24.02.58.02; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 02:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.s=korg header.b=sYwrI0qd; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=linuxfoundation.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229868AbhJXKAS (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:00:18 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:32920 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229463AbhJXKAS (ORCPT ); Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:00:18 -0400 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55D0460F4F; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:57:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1635069478; bh=4xCqj5G9GvzDzcYFIrwq9UPV3NhMM5vSXRX1UJk/qGI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=sYwrI0qdBb6IRc3rucYOfHtRGyXXGgtRgpGSw686bw4ylbZB2VRrWRrP7r09Cuy3J No+5wVMkUfybPsdEHRCFhX4izvYAXnURfvuh+j1tm8DnPCuszh66YQFzh2UStKwF+f WXniifhRMYn3p/gsBoxQnS2iWhEOsqD4/bfMhZPw= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:57:52 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Rob Landley Cc: Tim.Bird@sony.com, khilman@baylibre.com, geert@linux-m68k.org, laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, tbird20d@gmail.com, u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, kernel@pengutronix.de, mporter@konsulko.com, tglx@linutronix.de, thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Remove Matt Mackall as his identity is obsolete Message-ID: References: <20210920080635.253826-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> <57122a67509bebdf0d1b9f5bc15db116e0124e5d.camel@infradead.org> <7hlf2oejqv.fsf@baylibre.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 02:24:48AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > > The linux-embedded mailing list was created about the same time. > > The thinking was that there are issues that transcend any particular > > sub-system, directory, or file, such as boot time or system size or > > real-time. Changes to keep these system-wide metrics in check might > > need the assistance of a respected upstream maintainer, who could > > guide developers working in these areas, or who could help keep > > other kernel maintainers apprised of requirements in these areas > > for embedded products. > > Greg KH wouldn't listen to me when I was Documention maintainer. He wouldn't > listen when I was busybox maintainer. Maintainer-without-portfolio ain't gonna > get him to start. > > Keep in mind Greg and Kay Sievers were joined at the hip until Linus threw Kay > out of Linux dev and he bogged off to systemd. If you point out things like > "sysfs should to present a stable API to userspace" or "it's a bad idea to > depend on magic packages like udev or systemd as things every Linux system must > not only use verbatim from a single upstream supplier but must replace every > time they upgrade the kernel", Greg is reliably against them. I love you Rob, but I have no idea how the creation of mdev has anything to do with the topic at hand. Best of luck! greg k-h