From: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
To: BlueZ development <bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:58:55 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Bluez-devel] DBus SDP API
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Hi Denis,

> > > Have you given any more thought as to how the RFCOMM channels are managed
> > > by the DBus Service API?  The same goes for L2CAP.  From what I
> > > understand the current implementation depends on clients to know what is
> > > available...
> >
> > yes. That is where the "name" parameter in the XML record is for. You
> > can simply override it with your own values. However this must be
> > application or service specific.
> 
> So hcid will never be responsible for allocating rfcomm channels?  I'm not 
> sure that's a good idea, since everybody will implement it themselves (and 
> probably get it wrong anyway)

hcid can never be responsible for that, because that is the job of the
kernel. However I am playing with the idea of an RFCOMM server in form
of rfcommd in userspace that will allow simple RFCOMM based application
and services.

For the more complex ones you have to do it by yourself anyway. And you
should make it open source anyway so we can tell you what went wrong ;)

> > > Will there be a lower-level SDP registration framework for the local
> > > device? E.g. to be able to manually register records in binary/XML format
> > > without creating a service agent?
> >
> > It is there at the moment by using the Bluetooth library. However I have
> > no idea if it will stay there. I don't see any real use case except for
> > debugging and with your enhancement to service-agent.c even that case is
> > not really existent anymore.
> 
> I see two advantages to doing this.  The main use case would be to deprecate 
> some aspects of sdptool and all the hairy code in there that does the 
> registration.  Move all of it to XML/Binary files.  The second would be the 
> completeness of the DBUS API. 

I am not buying the completeness argument. It is as simple as we don't
have a SetAddress method.

The hairy code in sdptool is only for development and extending the
D-Bus API with development interfaces is not what I actually plan to do.
It should stay as clean as possible and every method must actually have
a user.

> > > Most importantly, do you have plans for local versions of
> > >                 array{uint32} GetRemoteServiceHandles(string address,
> > > string match)
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > >                 array{byte} GetRemoteServiceRecord(string address, uint32
> > > handle)
> > >
> > > ?
> >
> > I thought about that multiple times. Every time I convinced myself to
> > implement it, I failed to find the use case for it.
> 
> Well I can see several useful things you can do:
> - If hcid doesn't manage RFCOMM channels, how will an application know 
> dynamically what channel is available?  Such an operation will never be 
> atomic (another argument for doing it in hcid), but  at least you can do 
> selection semi-intelligently.

You should write a full service for any kind of these use cases.

> - I can see a GNOME / KDE app that displays all services running on the local 
> device, and use the UUIDs to identify exactly what type of service it is 
> (e.g. for icons) without having to rely on Text descriptions from the DBus 
> Service API.

Then I would extend org.bluez.Service to return exactly that
information, but the whole intention of the D-Bus based API is to hide
as much Bluetooth specific things for the user interfaces as possible.

Regards

Marcel


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