From: Michal Semler <cijoml@volny.cz>
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To: bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bluez-users] Bluetooth 1.2 and HID Proxy
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:10:51 +0200

On Sunday 06 of June 2004 00:53, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Michal,
>
> > pls start new webpage on bluez which will collect all known doglech which
> > we know reflash with newer firmware and pls try describe step-by-step
> > howto.
>
> currently I am preparing a site with notes about firmware upgrade and
> DFU. I will also summarize the public statements of the CSR signature

Site is nice, but you should provide screenshoots of steps how to use MacOS to 
extract that firmware. Many people (including me) don't know how to work with 
MacOS :)

> and so on. However don't expect a howto for getting firmware from one
> device into another. I am not concerned in upgrading of any dongle,
> because today an USB Bluetooth dongle is so cheap that you can buy
> yourself a new one if the firmware is too old. I paid 14 EUR for my
> D-Link dongle at eBay. 

This is bad way. We as customers should make a preasure to vendors to allow us 
upgrade our devices for free! I better spend my 14 euros in cinema with my 
girl :) When device allow me to upgrade it's functionality, vendors should 
allow us to do it. And if not, other vendors will support us and then we 
should make preasure to vendors via market to allow us upgrading our devices.
And those how will block us to do it, we should turn them bankrupt via market.

> The problem what I see is that the dongle 
> manufacturers are too lazy to get out the Bluetooth 1.2 capable dongles.
> For the CSR based BlueCore02 based dongles they only have to change
> their firmware and can sell it as a complete new product. If they
> started with a 8 Mbit flash from the beginning they don't even have to
> change their design.
>
> The other point is the HID Proxy support. Actually people are asking me
> where they can buy such dongles. I can't tell them, because I don't
> know. And again, every BlueCore02 with 8 Mbit flash can use HID Proxy.
> So where is the problem? I think Apple is doing this the right way. They
> really support their hardware. The question is why D-Link can't provide
> an update for the dongle ;)

To firmware licencing. I think you can share your extracted firmware, because 
of this:

Re: [Bluez-users] CSR firmware
From:
Carl Orsborn <cjo@csr.com>
To: 
cijoml@volny.cz
Date: 
30.5.2004 09:58

SNIP
>This is great on Intersil. They allow users to upgrade their firmwares in 
>their wifi cards.
>
We also allow it, but we have provided the means to prevent it.

Carl
SNIP

>
> Regards
>
> Marcel

Michal

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