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Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 4/5] ima: support fs-verity file digest based signatures Content-Language: en-US To: Eric Biggers , Vitaly Chikunov Cc: Vitaly Chikunov , Mimi Zohar , linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org References: <20211202215507.298415-1-zohar@linux.ibm.com> <20211202215507.298415-5-zohar@linux.ibm.com> <56c53b027ae8ae6909d38904bf089e73011657d7.camel@linux.ibm.com> <20220109204537.oueokvvkrkyy3ipq@altlinux.org> <20220115053101.36xoy2bc7ypozo6l@altlinux.org> <7e611504-eed8-6943-f1ae-7fb23298d3e5@linux.ibm.com> From: Stefan Berger In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-Proofpoint-GUID: WKYpffVgIwFySLs3bQP8PEzCevF2nHFU X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: WKYpffVgIwFySLs3bQP8PEzCevF2nHFU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Proofpoint-UnRewURL: 0 URL was un-rewritten MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.205,Aquarius:18.0.816,Hydra:6.0.425,FMLib:17.11.62.513 definitions=2022-01-19_08,2022-01-19_01,2021-12-02_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2201190089 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org On 1/18/22 19:49, Eric Biggers wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:31:40PM -0500, Stefan Berger wrote: >> On 1/15/22 01:21, Eric Biggers wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 08:31:01AM +0300, Vitaly Chikunov wrote: >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 01:07:18PM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 11:45:37PM +0300, Vitaly Chikunov wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 03:37:39PM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:35:00AM -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2021-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Eric Biggers wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 04:55:06PM -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote: >>>>>>>>>> case IMA_VERITY_DIGSIG: >>>>>>>>>> - fallthrough; >>>>>>>>>> + set_bit(IMA_DIGSIG, &iint->atomic_flags); >>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>> + /* >>>>>>>>>> + * The IMA signature is based on a hash of IMA_VERITY_DIGSIG >>>>>>>>>> + * and the fs-verity file digest, not directly on the >>>>>>>>>> + * fs-verity file digest. Both digests should probably be >>>>>>>>>> + * included in the IMA measurement list, but for now this >>>>>>>>>> + * digest is only used for verifying the IMA signature. >>>>>>>>>> + */ >>>>>>>>>> + verity_digest[0] = IMA_VERITY_DIGSIG; >>>>>>>>>> + memcpy(verity_digest + 1, iint->ima_hash->digest, >>>>>>>>>> + iint->ima_hash->length); >>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>> + hash.hdr.algo = iint->ima_hash->algo; >>>>>>>>>> + hash.hdr.length = iint->ima_hash->length; >>>>>>>>> This is still wrong because the bytes being signed don't include the hash >>>>>>>>> algorithm. Unless you mean for it to be implicitly always SHA-256? fs-verity >>>>>>>>> supports SHA-512 too, and it may support other hash algorithms in the future. >>>>>>>> IMA assumes that the file hash algorithm and the signature algorithm >>>>>>>> are the same. If they're not the same, for whatever reason, the >>>>>>>> signature verification would simply fail. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on the v2 signature header 'type' field, IMA can differentiate >>>>>>>> between regular IMA file hash based signatures and fs-verity file >>>>>>>> digest based signatures. The digest field (d-ng) in the IMA >>>>>>>> meausrement list prefixes the digest with the hash algorithm. I'm >>>>>>>> missing the reason for needing to hash fs-verity's file digest with >>>>>>>> other metadata, and sign that hash rather than fs-verity's file digest >>>>>>>> directly. >>>>>>> Because if someone signs a raw hash, then they also implicitly sign the same >>>>>>> hash value for all supported hash algorithms that produce the same length hash. >>>>>> Unless there is broken hash algorithm allowing for preimage attacks this >>>>>> is irrelevant. If there is two broken algorithms allowing for collisions, >>>>>> colliding hashes could be prepared even if algo id is hashed too. >>>>>> >>>>> Only one algorithm needs to be broken. For example, SM3 has the same hash >>>>> length as SHA-256. If SM3 support were to be added to fs-verity, and if someone >>>>> were to find a way to find an input that has a specific SM3 digest, then they >>>>> could also make it match a specific SHA-256 digest. Someone might intend to >>>>> sign a SHA-256 digest, but if they are only signing the raw 32 bytes of the >>>>> digest, then they would also be signing the corresponding SM3 digest. That's >>>>> why the digest that is signed *must* also include the algorithm used in the >>>>> digest (not the algorithm(s) used in the signature, which is different). >>>> I think it will be beneficial if we pass hash algo id to the >>>> akcipher_alg::verify. In fact, ecrdsa should only be used with streebog. >>>> And perhaps, sm2 with sm3, pkcs1 with md/sha/sm3, and ecdsa with sha family >>>> hashes. >>>> >>> I was going to reply to this thread again, but I got a bit distracted by >>> everything else being broken. Yes, the kernel needs to be restricting which >>> hash algorithms can be used with each public key algorithm, along the lines of >>> what you said. I asked the BoringSSL maintainers for advice, and they confirmed >>> that ECDSA just signs/verifies a raw hash, and in fact it *must* be a raw hash >>> for it to be secure. This is a design flaw in ECDSA, which was fixed in newer >>> algorithms such as EdDSA and SM2 as those have a hash built-in to the signature >>> scheme. To mitigate it, the allowed hash algorithms must be restricted; in the >>> case of ECDSA, that means to the SHA family (preferably excluding SHA-1). >>> >>> akcipher_alg::verify doesn't actually know which hash algorithm is used, except >>> in the case of rsa-pkcs1pad where it is built into the name of the algorithm. >>> So it can't check the hash algorithm. I believe it needs to happen in >>> public_key_verify_signature() (and I'm working on a patch for that). >>> >>> Now, SM2 is different from ECDSA and ECRDSA in that it uses the modern design >>> that includes the hash into the signature algorithm. This means that it must be >>> used to sign/verify *data*, not a hash. (Well, you can sign/verify a hash, but >>> SM2 will hash it again internally.) Currently, public_key_verify_signature() >>> allows SM2 to be used to sign/verify a hash, skipping the SM2 internal hash, and >>> IMA uses this. This is broken and must be removed, since it isn't actually the >>> SM2 algorithm as specified anymore, but rather some homebrew thing with unknown >>> security properties. (Well, I'm not confident about SM2, but homebrew is worse.) >>> >>> Adding fs-verity support to IMA also complicates things, as doing it naively >>> would introduce an ambiguity about what is signed. Naively, the *data* that is >>> signed (considering the hash as part of the signature algorithm) would be either >>> the whole file, in the case of traditional IMA, or the fsverity_descriptor >>> struct, in the case of IMA with fs-verity. However, a file could have contents >>> which match an fsverity_descriptor struct; that would create an ambiguity. >>> >>> Assuming that it needs to be allowed that the same key can sign files for both >>> traditional and fs-verity hashing, solving this problem will require a second >>> hash. The easiest way to do this would be sign/verify the following struct: >>> >>> struct ima_file_id { >>> u8 is_fsverity; >>> u8 hash_algorithm; >>> u8 hash[]; >>> }; >> >> To calrify, I suppose that for ECDSA NIST P256 you would allow pairing with >> any of the SHA family hashes (also as defined by the existing OIDs) and as >> the standard allows today? And the same then applies for NIST p384 etc.? >> >> Further, I suppose similar restriction would apply for ECRDSA to pair it >> with Streebog only, as Vitaly said. > I don't have any better ideas. > >> What's happening now is that to verify a signature, IMA/integrity subsystem >> fills out the following structure: >> >> struct public_key_signature pks; >> >> pks.hash_algo = hash_algo_name[hdr->hash_algo];  // name of hash algo will >> go into this here, e.g., 'sha256' >> pks.pkey_algo = pk->pkey_algo; // this is either 'rsa', 'ecdsa-', 'ecrdsa-' >> or 'sm2' string >> >> It then calls: >> >>     ret = verify_signature(key, &pks); >> >> IMO, in the call path down this function the pairing of public key and hash >> algo would have to be enforced in order to enforce the standards. Would this >> not be sufficient to be able to stay with the standards ? > That sounds right, though there are a number of other issues including SM2 being > implemented incorrectly, the "encoding" string isn't validated, and it not being > enforced that public_key_signature::pkey_algo actually matches > public_key::pkey_algo. I don't know enough about SM2. Which call path are you looking at for "encoding" ? For IMA's signature verification with public keys we will necessarily get into: public_key_verfiy_signature: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.14.21/source/crypto/asymmetric_keys/public_key.c#L311 sig->encoding is at least then used in software_key_determine_akcipher: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.14.21/source/crypto/asymmetric_keys/public_key.c#L66 It doesn't *seem* to be used elsewhere down this call path. Is this not enough of looking at 'encoding' that is used to form the alg_name? Regarding matching of  public_key_signature::pkey_algo and public_key::pkey_algo: What could be the implications of this not matching? Does it matter? Could one accidentally succeed in verifying a signature with the wrong type of key? As for the proposed patch. I would need to split this up into 3 patches with their corresponding fixes tag, either SM2 or ECDRSA in the first depending on which one is oldest. But not knowing about SM2 I would probably skip this one. > >> File hashes: IMA calculates the hash over a file itself by calling crypto >> functions, so at least the digest's bytes are trusted input in that respect >> and using the sha family type of hashes directly with ECDSA should work. >> Which algorithm IMA is supposed to use for the hashing is given in the xattr >> bytestream header. IMA could then take that type of hash, lookup the hash >> function, perform the hashing on the data, and let verify_signature enforce >> the pairing, rejecting file signatures with wrong pairing. This way the only >> thing that is needed is 'enforcement of pairing'. >> >> Fsverity: How much control does a user have over the hash family fsverity is >> using? Can IMA ECDSA/RSA users tell it to use a sha family hash and ECRDSA >> users make it use a Streebog hash so that also the pairing of hash and key >> type can work 'naturally' and we don't need the level of indirection via >> your structure above? > The hash algorithm used by fs-verity is configurable and is always returned > along with the file digest. Currently, only SHA-256 and SHA-512 are supported. > > Keep in mind that if you sign the fs-verity file digest directly with RSA, > ECDSA, or ECRDSA, the *data* you are actually signing is the fsverity_descriptor > -- the struct which the hash is a hash of. > > That creates an ambiguity when full file hashes are also signed by the same key, > as I previously mentioned. A level of indirection is needed to avoid that. > > In the naive method, the *data* being signed would also be different with SM2. > The level of indirection would avoid that. So in the fsverity case that level of indirection is needed, for the existing file signatures I don't think we need it.    Stefan > > - Eric