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Hi,

On 2022-12-05 14:13, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 07:47:17PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > The TRNG device does not seem to have a signal conditionner and the FIPS
> > 140-2 test returns a lot of failures. They can be reduced by increasing
> > RK_RNG_SAMPLE_CNT, in a tradeoff between quality and speed. This value
> > has been adjusted to get ~90% of successes and the quality value has
> > been set accordingly.
>=20
> Can't you reduce it even more to get 100%? All we need is 32 bytes every
> once in a while.

=46rom what I understood, we get the raw stream of the TRNG, there is no
conditionner and the TRNG is not FIPS compliant. So even with the
slowest speed, you don't reach 100% and you only get a very small
increase in the quality while it's way more slower.

> > +	rk_rng->rng.quality =3D 900;
>=20
> If your intention is "90%", this should be 921 or 922, because the
> quality knob is out of 1024, not 1000.

Well I am not sure it really matters. 90% is actually conservative, it's
the worst case I have seen, rounded down. However I often get much
better quality, see for instance the following run:

| Copyright (c) 2004 by Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is N=
O warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOS=
E.
|=20
| rngtest: starting FIPS tests...
| rngtest: entropy source drained
| rngtest: bits received from input: 16777216
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2 successes: 819
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2 failures: 19
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Monobit: 17
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Poker: 0
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Runs: 2
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Long run: 2
| rngtest: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Continuous run: 0
| rngtest: input channel speed: (min=3D132.138; avg=3D137.848; max=3D147.30=
8)Kibits/s
| rngtest: FIPS tests speed: (min=3D16.924; avg=3D20.272; max=3D20.823)Mibi=
ts/s
| rngtest: Program run time: 119647459 microseconds

Does the exact value has an importance there? I thought it was just
important to not overestimate the quality.

Regards
Aurelien

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