From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [EXT4 set 4][PATCH 1/5] i_version:64 bit inode version
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:22:37 -0700
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:19:16 -0400 Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 18:22 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:09:40 -0400 Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 16:30 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:37:04 -0400
> > > > Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > This patch converts the 32-bit i_version in the generic inode to a 64-bit
> > > > > i_version field.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That's obvious from the patch.  But what was the reason for making this
> > > > (unrelated to ext4) change?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The need is came from NFSv4
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 18:25 +0200, Jean noel Cordenner wrote: 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > This is an update of the i_version patch.
> > > > The i_version field is a 64bit counter that is set on every inode
> > > > creation and that is incremented every time the inode data is modified
> > > > (similarly to the "ctime" time-stamp).
> > > > The aim is to fulfill a NFSv4 requirement for rfc3530:
> > > > "5.5.  Mandatory Attributes - Definitions
> > > > Name		#	DataType   Access   Description
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________
> > > > change		3	uint64       READ     A value created by the
> > > > 		server that the client can use to determine if file
> > > > 		data, directory contents or attributes of the object
> > > > 		have been modified.  The servermay return the object's
> > > > 		time_metadata attribute for this attribute's value but
> > > > 		only if the filesystem object can not be updated more
> > > > 		frequently than the resolution of time_metadata.
> > > > "
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Please update the changelog for this.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Is above description clear to you?
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, thanks.  It doesn't actually tell us why we want to implement
> > this attribute and it doesn't tell us what the implications of failing
> > to do so are, but I guess we can take that on trust from the NFS guys.
> > 
> > But I suspect the ext4 implementation doesn't actually do this.  afaict we
> > won't update i_version for file overwrites (especially if s_time_gran can
> > indeed be 1,000,000,000) and of course for MAP_SHARED modifications.  What
> > would be the implications of this?
> > 
> 
> In the case of overwrite (file date updated), I assume the ctime/mtime
> is being updated and the inode is being dirtied, so the version number
> is being updated.
> 
>  vfs_write()->..
>         ->__generic_file_aio_write_nolock()
>                 ->file_update_time()
>                         ->mark_inode_dirty_sync()
>                         ->__mark_inode_dirty(I_DIRTY_SYNC)
>                                 ->ext4_dirty_inode()
>                                         ->ext4_mark_inode_dirty()

That assumes an mtime update for every write().  OK, so two writes in a
single nanosecond won't be happening.  But in that case why is this code:

static inline struct timespec ext4_current_time(struct inode *inode)
{
	return (inode->i_sb->s_time_gran < NSEC_PER_SEC) ?
		current_fs_time(inode->i_sb) : CURRENT_TIME_SEC;
}

checking (s_time_gran < NSEC_PER_SEC) ??

Overall it is a bit unpleasing to rely upon mtime updates for a correct NFS
server implementation: if we were to later decrease s_time_gran (as we
might do, for performance reasons), the NFS server implementation starts
reporting incorrect information.

> > And how does the NFS server know that the filesystem implements i_version? 
> > Will a zero-value of i_version have special significance, telling the
> > server to not send this attribute, perhaps?
> 
> Bruce raised up this question a few days back when he reviewed this
> patch, I think the solution is add a superblock flag for fs support
> inode versioning, probably at VFS layer?

That would work.