From: Eric Sandeen Subject: Re: "data=writeback" and TRIM don't get along Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:34:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4BBE059D.3080208@redhat.com> References: <4BBD285B.9000603@gmail.com> <4BBD2FDF.4040407@redhat.com> <4BBD3365.90306@gmail.com> <4BBD5740.4070101@redhat.com> <4BBD5D90.4090203@redhat.com> <4BBD5FDB.9010100@redhat.com> <4BBDC2A3.1040901@gmail.com> <4BBDF6F4.2020208@redhat.com> <4BBE029D.9030303@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org To: Nebojsa Trpkovic Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:30352 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758158Ab0DHQyp (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:54:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4BBE029D.9030303@gmail.com> Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Nebojsa Trpkovic wrote: > On 04/08/10 17:32, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> Well, you might just keep in mind that: >> >> 1) trimming these small amounts has actually looked very inefficient, and >> 2) data=writeback really isn't very safe in the face of a crash or power loss, and >> 3) hopefully we'll have a better trim solution eventually. > > 1) I understand that big TRIMs are better then small ones, but skipping > some TRIMs completely would lead to slow but sure drive degradation as > drive would have less and less spare space for wear leveling. > > 2) Yes, I'm aware of possible data=writeback inconsistency, but I've > tried to let IO scheduler to merge and reorganize as many writes as it > can, all to avoid small writes to SSD which are main cause of write > amplification. > > 3) I'll stick with no data=writeback for the time being. I guess I'm > doing just fine even without it. :) > > > One more noob quotestion completely out-of-topic: > Will md layer pass TRIM command to drive if one has ext4 on linux > software RAID 0/1/5 ? I think the answer is "not yet but it's being worked on" -Eric > Nebojsa