From: Lukas Czerner Subject: Re: [PATCH] e2fsck: Discard free data and inode blocks. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: <1287670556-23460-1-git-send-email-lczerner@redhat.com> <6388FD2D-50A8-42B9-A955-3824451ACBF4@dilger.ca> <4CC175E6.5000700@gmail.com> <4CC19BC2.9010503@gmail.com> <4CC1A3AA.6040004@gmail.com> <386E61B0-BF4D-4F96-9541-A614F63DE808@dilger.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Ric Wheeler , Lukas Czerner , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, sandeen@redhat.com To: Andreas Dilger Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:38949 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932517Ab0JVSCA (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:02:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <386E61B0-BF4D-4F96-9541-A614F63DE808@dilger.ca> Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Andreas Dilger wrote: > On 2010-10-22, at 08:46, Ric Wheeler wrote: > > On 10/22/2010 10:32 AM, Lukas Czerner wrote: > >> > >> Also there is a big win, when discard > >> also zeroes data, because in that case we can just skip inode table > >> initialization (zeroing) without any need of in-kernel lazyinit code > >> enabled. And we get all this for free. It was introduced with Sandeens > >> patch: > >> > >> http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=128234048208327&w=2 > >> > >> So, I would rather leave it on by default. > > > > You cannot 100% depend on discard zeroing blocks - that is not a universal requirement of devices that support it. Specifically, for ATA devices, I think that there are optional bits that specify how a device will behave when you read from a trimmed region. > > That patch also checks for the zeroing feature. When this patch was first under discussion, I proposed that we validate that the device is actually zeroed by doing a write a non-zero block to the disk and then calling discard+zero for that region, and reading back the block and verifying it. > > Eric wasn't convinced that was necessary, maybe you can convince him more... > > Cheers, Andreas One of the counter arguments was, that some devices does not preserve this behavior through power cycles. I think Ted was the one talking about that. -Lukas