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Date:   Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:09:07 +0200
From:   Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/10] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal
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On Wed 12-06-19 08:47:21, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 12:29:17PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> 
> > > > The main objection to the current ODP & DAX solution is that very
> > > > little HW can actually implement it, having the alternative still
> > > > require HW support doesn't seem like progress.
> > > > 
> > > > I think we will eventually start seein some HW be able to do this
> > > > invalidation, but it won't be universal, and I'd rather leave it
> > > > optional, for recovery from truely catastrophic errors (ie my DAX is
> > > > on fire, I need to unplug it).
> > > 
> > > Agreed.  I think software wise there is not much some of the devices can do
> > > with such an "invalidate".
> > 
> > So out of curiosity: What does RDMA driver do when userspace just closes
> > the file pointing to RDMA object? It has to handle that somehow by aborting
> > everything that's going on... And I wanted similar behavior here.
> 
> It aborts *everything* connected to that file descriptor. Destroying
> everything avoids creating inconsistencies that destroying a subset
> would create.
> 
> What has been talked about for lease break is not destroying anything
> but very selectively saying that one memory region linked to the GUP
> is no longer functional.

OK, so what I had in mind was that if RDMA app doesn't play by the rules
and closes the file with existing pins (and thus layout lease) we would
force it to abort everything. Yes, it is disruptive but then the app didn't
obey the rule that it has to maintain file lease while holding pins. Thus
such situation should never happen unless the app is malicious / buggy.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR