Received: by 2002:a25:c593:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id v141csp688701ybe; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzo6G+OYcT5PY6JfQeyxqZeUfUZfefd7YR4Bc9rKwiJ/ypj9anT20I0yPDPW1k5zKCtH9aC X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:aa93:: with SMTP id d19mr41291442plr.148.1567603301521; Wed, 04 Sep 2019 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1567603301; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=AwBWEaq+hmekPiAzJjhmJO8rtIcZweJHwvkEyXWWkiFWdDI++nvgW4+nO+fF31Yr8O 8OQ3KAazH5xfP3j4QKKrnrnHTZXhk4p4CdBJy7RymYnCmtF5JVpa09WYX1apaHCoL/Gi oV7+2Abqx7fi4W+x1dKyt4WjBaIWW+zhWQDp70J/IbkJrcUbjLowfVfZH4QwWA2GVOJc KUDCT6tMq3nFh1OWNNl8tQoUNYs4KX60+PkI463WbusvTL4AJspr7neGTG1bKI71Tdyq nhlS4bSIwssiArzkgYX6uErcWZmZ6Qz02n/CPHjtznpcZUvenoztK2qMFytakvgwkVQS gJNg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding :content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date :message-id:organization:openpgp:from:references:cc:to:subject; bh=Kz9PFpAoGMiSviamJzhN/OkQAy/CyfRKeygq2K9qU8s=; b=xAef5U11Ewmo4ojMHc5dzc9TbwHBq2mkyQRZmtyyWglglaQyHSmTJKiWOp9a9nU7i5 5rYJ1paR1WV16sCObLgtw2Fum4anmY7HW5ebTDG+Vjs6iYXDqBMf0Uyq5VVQA8ikIP18 eT2AtNYQT6FI8uV3HYisQd85yZf13r81A6bVm7qJihLZcSP+Jelj/jUczMAlzTTSkWfg 1ERVZQk0ALHccTGSTZZBO0k0D8kfXoKgiZMCgPtEcQfaT047Ucf1haO3C/m6pI+aTkCW BIZbrpkUG2b3LD8KrW5gRgwN3ewkLcvJLzyE2MtCC1wimIw9dhDrcDGaq5YeSUYxneqk reKg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l184si17173183pge.286.2019.09.04.06.21.22; Wed, 04 Sep 2019 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728941AbfIDNVV (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from mail.thelounge.net ([91.118.73.15]:59163 "EHLO mail.thelounge.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729020AbfIDNVV (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net (Authenticated sender: h.reindl@thelounge.net) by mail.thelounge.net (THELOUNGE MTA) with ESMTPSA id 46Nkws0PVKzXMk; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: "beyond 2038" warnings from loopback mount is noisy To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Deepa Dinamani Cc: Arnd Bergmann , Qian Cai , Jeff Layton , Alexander Viro , Linux FS-devel Mailing List , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Ext4 Developers List , Andreas Dilger References: <1567523922.5576.57.camel@lca.pw> <20190903211747.GD2899@mit.edu> <20190904125834.GA3044@mit.edu> From: Reindl Harald Openpgp: id=9D2B46CDBC140A36753AE4D733174D5A5892B7B8; url=https://arrakis-tls.thelounge.net/gpg/h.reindl_thelounge.net.pub.txt Organization: the lounge interactive design Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:21:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190904125834.GA3044@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-CH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org Am 04.09.19 um 14:58 schrieb Theodore Y. Ts'o: > Again, the likelihood that there will be file systems that have this > problem in 2038 is... extremely low in my judgement. Storage media > just doesn't last that long in times of virtualization storage media are below the vdisk and the file system lasts that long and even longer in times of running RAID on your storage they last that long because you happily replace dead disks and move you hard drives to the next computer when the rest of the hardware is dead > and distributions such as Red Hat and > SuSE very strongly encourage people to reformat file systems and do > *not* support upgrades from ext3 to ext4 by using tune2fs. If you do > this, their help desk will laugh at you and refuse to help you. i would have laughed at somebody telling me in 2010 that i have to start again from scratch instead convert all the virtual servers installed two years ago to ext4 or in general install repeatly from scratch instead doing all the dist-upgrades from Fedora 9 to Fedora 30 with no downtime longer than a ordinary kernel update and reboot and here we are, with file systems and operating systems installed in 2008 running 11 years later just fine - it's Linux not Windows