Received: by 2002:a25:b323:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id l35csp1574269ybj; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyTPwhxIs8vPcnNzq6wTzDjtpV6fdLiyg4UMPlmT98eab2YazBw4XxBpTPRnVAlRlGRTIrf X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4a11:: with SMTP id w17mr20184973eju.21.1569008540916; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1569008540; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=ISV34ug10egpvA/W2ub9f78sbmQyQnoZXvDSoqNXT4MsY64UVG8753teRj9P606Zsf FcT2/agXRGbm3WkiF3NWHpmxHL7Ycd4T/Bu+WL9SkTx6E2Bxgo7PDA8c7AwrAfdrsbD2 BuoLYbUGh7QbrixeCtce+jqh4lW7e6LAAbIVXkVzZR5Z/aBqj1px+yC5ZOz/OEjGcw5Q rOEAmoZWoEoZ27QatpVMagfeH87XL7hGrczz2KF53VxUiKUTGGSRq/i8C9hFQCg9F44P LnAN2aVepzWixW0VyTDBaJBwi2O3LFA0nmo/eECnBTcTQcX0hYTrLhV5KFwy4Sasi/vi z2aw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=qHip7OMi4bPIbQtSImduVGtbJ81zJz0ie9pcNw7QAyA=; b=p8JsRb/60gn5mdy9g+KbyI3hjA7vBQ8Q3rFgKOrYbcksKG3Yt6BNqGsuwxxEkpW7wh 6ojGnIGBwlME+L6YSKKyOStMwh6qWyLmKbKLqRFnotl9tCD0sCH44Q5zWpuFvUZvo3mF 1TqGuZl6xCG9BuS6uBE1Fd2Qy4wM3K9O41PRoeRYcZYdqWBEhB9GyMs2y89CzJSrJ4s6 bRAxLMtISkymyIvelJBoXD37OCRt9QSLT8fHOl02VrID9ZYxPNBYfbaos6T99WL5W+ej ammiLILrLwfbc8seVSS4GIeYQLY/W723QeMnuUVpZa/leLpAj2nCVOBsPdOGUUZ0W75R r/WQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g22si2075216eda.27.2019.09.20.12.41.56; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727056AbfITNQQ (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:16:16 -0400 Received: from outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu ([18.9.28.11]:53165 "EHLO outgoing.mit.edu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726917AbfITNQQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:16:16 -0400 Received: from callcc.thunk.org (guestnat-104-133-0-98.corp.google.com [104.133.0.98] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x8KDG9fQ019217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:16:10 -0400 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 956AB420811; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:16:09 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: "Alexander E. Patrakov" Cc: Linus Torvalds , "Ahmed S. Darwish" , Lennart Poettering , "Eric W. Biederman" , Michael Kerrisk , lkml , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v4 1/1] random: WARN on large getrandom() waits and introduce getrandom2() Message-ID: <20190920131609.GC16111@mit.edu> References: <20190918211503.GA1808@darwi-home-pc> <20190918211713.GA2225@darwi-home-pc> <20190919143427.GQ6762@mit.edu> <6adb02d4-c486-a945-7f51-d007d6de45b2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 03:23:58AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > OTOH, I thought that at least part of the real entropy, if it exists, comes > from the interference of the CPU's memory accesses with the refresh cycles > that are clocked from an independent oscillator. That's not a valid assumption; on *many* systems, there is only a single master oscillator. It saves on power, parts cost, reduces the amount of RF interference, etc. - Ted