Received: by 2002:a25:c205:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id s5csp7033008ybf; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 09:05:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtJdRN+xDaVHLOkfvjB8Pfzy8YkFBfASZ5I720KmVc0sW0fLj3Fekv4J64axvagdNgZdJD2 X-Received: by 2002:aca:b03:: with SMTP id 3mr3278622oil.1.1583514328755; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 09:05:28 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1583514328; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=bnd6VuUxy79ktEWZHL0+Amx7Ax3mhZg/spgGvvs6zecEFfPk8lhshH4Q8NoBDgvlB4 J7soXL6z909tq9byTAE8ToN2vJEwCfAJdvHYdZsaeVIlYGCheQzaTba8gFzGdQFQ1chf LZiiXIAi4mjrMgJHVFba15qhMxsCUa0g9jfg54lUMXyUWDKUWlgO7Y1lvtjqxfvYFVCb d3il7+mvxPprrI5U0EnKP3dSfmMM1mtuT/+4BjoORsOLpOjnjtmgtEUjuTvax56IyOUY BSvnQSY7IMbr+AMyDsu6qd3fvKTakcSUr3NMq0zRPpqPILCwZkAJNMwOcPdyP5E0ke2O Frsw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=KYUjILLrY2cHWzl2ibyWUbie7QR/xwIKyqpmlixG1OE=; b=h7P4h1XDD6y7w1EQqN8CuZe6SSzmgMDVHU35piysiVJukYcS0zA/Cj1EScCt16yXCg NaZzmjblEmqNXllb9RST/Ci417FM6hudPAP+Ox+1kiaqKAwucCa44ojsjefc2/clGEyz lGTe7hG8xrJmZvU6Zt9oUOToU6r1X+NRNeGj5ymHfSRVvHw3i57yT6+bGKReyx8glyBe 5Y8OTXWF3xyJnoDiyhguAyKGQKH5jvn/PDsnhSA2H7XQPc2VDJOZRGO1pPRHnQwT5V/o 9M75FApEuh3A3qMIqBOPUMKRywk5ChAiUXJuMXhoJ3ISofdKUoBRedOoiytG7Fzf9+3d 0hyQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q124si1709554oig.228.2020.03.06.09.05.08; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 09:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727053AbgCFRE0 (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:04:26 -0500 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:36116 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726083AbgCFRE0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:04:26 -0500 Received: from viro by ZenIV.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jAGOX-006OO2-9c; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:04:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 17:04:17 +0000 From: Al Viro To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Josef Bacik , lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF Message-ID: <20200306170417.GX23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <20200306160548.GB25710@bombadil.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200306160548.GB25710@bombadil.infradead.org> Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 08:05:48AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > 4) Presentations. 90% of the conference is 1-2 people standing at the front > > of the room, talking to a room of 20-100 people, with only a few people in > > the audience who cares. We do our best to curate the presentations so we're > > not wasting peoples time, but in the end I don't care what David Howells is > > doing with mount, I trust him to do the right thing and he really just needs > > to trap Viro in a room to work it out, he doesn't need all of us. > > ... and allow the other 3-5 people who're interested or affected the > opportunity to sit in. Like a mailing list, but higher bandwidth. Latency can be more unpleasant, actually - you try to discuss something between 3 people, when one is in .uk, another - in .us (east coast) and the third one - in ,au (also east coast). Timezone deltas - 5 hours and 8 hours, in opposite directions... Incidentally, that was about mount, with me and David being two of participants; I somewhat hoped to get that sorted out at LSF, but Ian won't be there anyway. OTOH, that's just an 8 hours delta...