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Date:   Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:55:54 +0100
From:   Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>
To:     Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
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Hi.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:36:10PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:05:13AM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
> > I think the legel name would be "Zhang Yi" (family name goes first [1])
> > according to
> > The Chinese phonetic alphabet spelling rules for Chinese names [2].
> > 
> > Indeed, that is also what the legel name is written in alphabet on our
> > passport or credit/debit cards.
> > 
> > Also, many official English-written materials use it in that way, for
> > example, a somewhat famous bastetball player Yao Ming [3][4][5].
> > 
> > That is what I wrote my own name as this but I also noticed the western
> > ordering of names is quite common for Chinese people in Linux kernel.
> > Anyway, it's just my preliminary personal thought (might be just my
> > own perference) according to (I think, maybe) formal occasions.
> 
> Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency with the ordering
> of Chinese names when they are written in Roman characters.  Some
> people put the family name first, and other people will put the
> personal (first) name first.  In some cases it may be because the
> developer in question is living in America, and so they've decided to
> use the American naming convention.  (Two example of this are former
> ext4 developers Mingming Cao and Jiaying Zhang, who live in Portland
> and Los Angelos, and their family names are Cao and Zhang,
> respectively.)
> 
> My personal opinion is people should use whatever name they are
> comfortable with, using whatever characters they prefer.  The one
> thing that would be helpful for me is for people to give a hint about
> how they would prefer to be called --- for example, would you prefer
> that start an e-mail with the salutation, "Hi Gao", "Hi Xiang", or "Hi
> Gao Xiang"?

Is there a common way to indicate that? Like, erm, SPDX, but for names?

Saying, instead of just writing "Oleksandr Natalenko" in the email
footer, I'll write "Oleksandr Natalenko / RMNA:NS" meaning "read my name
as name-surname".

Hm?

> 
> And if I don't know, and I guess wrong, please feel free to correct
> me, either privately, or publically on the e-mail list, if you think
> it would be helpful for more people to understand how you'd prefer to
> be called.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 					- Ted

-- 
  Oleksandr Natalenko (post-factum)