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See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your title 'Use ASCII subset' is now at least a bit *closer* to describing what the patches are actually doing, but it's still a bit misleading because you're only doing it for *some* characters. And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or simila= r - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternat= ives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and speciall= y at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: >=20 > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. Any but the most broken and/or anachronistic environments and editors will be just fine. --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCECow ggUcMIIEBKADAgECAhEA4rtJSHkq7AnpxKUY8ZlYZjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBlzELMAkGA1UE BhMCR0IxGzAZBgNVBAgTEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBxMHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgG A1UEChMRQ09NT0RPIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxPTA7BgNVBAMTNENPTU9ETyBSU0EgQ2xpZW50IEF1dGhl bnRpY2F0aW9uIGFuZCBTZWN1cmUgRW1haWwgQ0EwHhcNMTkwMTAyMDAwMDAwWhcNMjIwMTAxMjM1 OTU5WjAkMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNkd213MkBpbmZyYWRlYWQub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAsv3wObLTCbUA7GJqKj9vHGf+Fa+tpkO+ZRVve9EpNsMsfXhvFpb8 RgL8vD+L133wK6csYoDU7zKiAo92FMUWaY1Hy6HqvVr9oevfTV3xhB5rQO1RHJoAfkvhy+wpjo7Q cXuzkOpibq2YurVStHAiGqAOMGMXhcVGqPuGhcVcVzVUjsvEzAV9Po9K2rpZ52FE4rDkpDK1pBK+ 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