Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:5bc5:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id os5csp706459pxb; Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWumfZxSvS0lkLlydZAtwCMsoGu/IG2H6VYTQLJwTQ2BVfnbMlMKsIC0M4yMfmx4ELFS6K X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1a21:: with SMTP id g1mr3336422ile.153.1635962397783; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1635962397; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=uV5461P3jiV9YRK9fpg+OueSBRlOYh+rQZg58rXeSehkbbuQv3egT2oqU+vipA7b3E ft+nGJQJtXoTNuLot76jfjhjrqhcbJNj9k7sVfBT+g3sRouPEkoyaS5XarGxskoAIojo bGWV2RUb4qUhXbQq/+6efg1tdCt/JZb4YMi8BNpijPCkjbvaFG1K7O1V86aPcL2Leslq ZrztW+BqtC33V0fhciEcnZhijU/yEHWx5jOAwM4fHweYZgk77NOtVjp3vJWZWymqeIjZ pmVvXgGAiZLtYiPzYYXkDQLhg12wyCe0xBvl+80pIZK19MORbdQooQBV+8pImLyqYQ1x ENGg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:subject :from:references:cc:to:content-language:user-agent:mime-version:date :message-id; bh=hZqhcmlG0MyJKEq/0ZawxGz5yeHm+ZlfLlnwktO2IaY=; b=iOqQ5wBfwVbDX9UfJR7q6TbR6VyPDigZPDJ5BKf1Zf0+nlhs+QOPS/3SvZvAGavTra z93OFuD/6AWS5hifJl+6N7H6hmGG2hTi3prafOgXNOBxHB5qKtlcHYa+bF6EWsbH3biR qXmJ7iOS5jF2kOcb6cpcvD9fY5xmjh4G1LRKwvOvUWaxtCYymtIUdzWskl0CVJ1ZKiRR 6kG8rMUVnEEbneF5ZbmYnINR6444ix277MFrGVFE8nNrr9UytkWUTzRFnR+VdDMCsCO6 xD2o0Hooa5yPY4gzSuRLaeDfo5G1sK1ni+XgbJ8pYdEkhvvKg+vn2q0HeFFctwYyIURe 7yqA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c4si5718703iow.33.2021.11.03.10.59.36; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229558AbhKCSCL (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 3 Nov 2021 14:02:11 -0400 Received: from sandeen.net ([63.231.237.45]:58262 "EHLO sandeen.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229697AbhKCSCK (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Nov 2021 14:02:10 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.146] (liberator.sandeen.net [10.0.0.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sandeen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B0BF14627D; Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <21ff4333-e567-2819-3ae0-6a2e83ec7ce6@sandeen.net> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:59:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.1 Content-Language: en-US To: Christoph Hellwig Cc: Dan Williams , Mike Snitzer , Ira Weiny , dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org References: <20211018044054.1779424-1-hch@lst.de> From: Eric Sandeen Subject: Re: futher decouple DAX from block devices In-Reply-To: <20211018044054.1779424-1-hch@lst.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org On 10/17/21 11:40 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Hi Dan, > > this series cleans up and simplifies the association between DAX and block > devices in preparation of allowing to mount file systems directly on DAX > devices without a detour through block devices. Christoph, can I ask what the end game looks like, here? If dax is completely decoupled from block devices, are there user-visible changes? If I want to run fs-dax on a pmem device - what do I point mkfs at, if not a block device? Thanks, -Eric