Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:5bc5:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id os5csp1398722pxb; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 01:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzxmpFMp4L9lEKxsBak5w9KSKKDk9eS0xFq91Aln79U4GVXaPrAIIjnm6LfGW8LTuuckWeX X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:368c:: with SMTP id a12mr60785086ejc.143.1636014094726; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1636014094; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=phqIp9cYu7dISFKdrvyG0oH2tg6rJJNa9GKEc1vA3+xZ5HqZkMbLh8UEW6glOVsD7c gs/XpABSe5iwQpaff5A8vEmYMiT0o70qez14og4mMsKsBoJPzRJAIjoO6IEG/lpGVVmh SijbgXrPCmOJHk6UY3i9QxvLPXk4EFlYnHQp7gq8ZnQBX1ffyabp0kxQsvn4N3lCU1Hn AlSBB8K3EaF2DAGdBF15le5L83zSMK9lN5egixg+E9zf9W6YeSZhyXa6kFxv+cnxH2hD qCy6xaCVz6V8G/0mlEmP9fUXm1fB7dlkD2m7/LaQK7fcJYbZq5ELtwXf/0VLhyRZblxE MkWA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=GNgIHSstA/bPIhVnpza0a7gRjjnjo9Rjku6GM1DKhDg=; b=yLYPQTvoOk8ADmPFKe54J053clzzLKOtJbSIyi11vNjHk+A4+nasnIL+R+QHoh4eXX y3zSlBj7uFDORLEStSeesXzK9XAYAIPd6F7VO90ozhi7aouvn/R8dwWp/5foLwtG5Cu0 8pt+mPm7PEPIb657teJ3R+gzBHn9vk+yeixBLWkhq4kzNo/1Q1VDP69W0o+6c0B0rXw5 yvu9CtGkmWX1ki7Bn+BKEFkjKUyI9+pOjNrHsYRoOXLwlRoMU/GMT27tQXczXPxQqwoQ JI3OOPZkN3B3UiFqRmh759K1WfMhrc4vj5cA98Ytz5BJVs6czFGvoYC1W8xbH929awfu Facw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id gb40si7294107ejc.650.2021.11.04.01.21.03; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230202AbhKDIUV (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 4 Nov 2021 04:20:21 -0400 Received: from verein.lst.de ([213.95.11.211]:34262 "EHLO verein.lst.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230152AbhKDIUV (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Nov 2021 04:20:21 -0400 Received: by verein.lst.de (Postfix, from userid 2407) id 9396E68AA6; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 09:17:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 09:17:40 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Eric Sandeen Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Dan Williams , Mike Snitzer , Ira Weiny , dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: futher decouple DAX from block devices Message-ID: <20211104081740.GA23111@lst.de> References: <20211018044054.1779424-1-hch@lst.de> <21ff4333-e567-2819-3ae0-6a2e83ec7ce6@sandeen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21ff4333-e567-2819-3ae0-6a2e83ec7ce6@sandeen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Nov 03, 2021 at 12:59:31PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Christoph, can I ask what the end game looks like, here? If dax is completely > decoupled from block devices, are there user-visible changes? Yes. > If I want to > run fs-dax on a pmem device - what do I point mkfs at, if not a block device? The rough plan is to use the device dax character devices. I'll hopefully have a draft version in the next days.