Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:5bc5:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id os5csp1913498pxb; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw/S5YSYUA+RmzHAPqSUzrkqAqQFA8/JJzqhiCFK6f6l75MCEIMdhiU7JTiQm3D6Yye0pOZ X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:5d11:: with SMTP id g17mr65230265ejt.175.1636047411092; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1636047411; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=K5S5LzDDdXsm0+TR1GCfyF30vhuZ9oJj0xmWn+nSwnho5EyoCaxDKjgSPjWrp1k6UK XLAFlHbDWPVWhbODR4T0+TDY8uWaKC95TwDxKDD+8gMLZL0NBWtOAgYvcH67y/OQ/cgy VfmKgvkLakOCGqvU9QDrAtQUK5vbKzpbmrwbLahqQKtEGf4d9SCQBf9MvUzCnvYrwDta iYmD3UpC5/YLfOv0T39FWI+n57V+vJbtT4gbQxij40IY30Yos7fZh3+zc3jTvivNXo5j UN/z5cC2axWQiwo4bH8rHkyKdLXt7iDZcDWSvidyX9B/8Mjm1TlZxPDcVAmil6fRKdn5 7IEA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=oe8znAndDdWxykefAIVr473e8PWfulxc5Wc37EpZZhM=; b=M4s6ggB1sCKcZz4axlFscAIiSLz7ueXg0OukTvYrTwz9We2or0quht3dy9WxzfxiPU 0rjx4g5+846uhfWGnwiP+7w4Ck8UD8/QJ92dbur8HaHP70x7mFA7/X/Ppg0RxYOiBowj Mmtc8GS5HGXuKZdH/XKw4GPoyXCJ/fBifVkSfCma6GkMH07ikKpOE8PZX2fg1kBnsruR ZHrcfBJI9MCRBx1BbEHM+PW2SXn3lEnT+LLDEz05XRjtouvzp9171o77EHd7+iugicC0 zUWt24noyLtmKP8Wx+GlufEzcxTsEMyLT50DPBnquYrofo8KyBT8XCNcMoLJ64pE5O1K AuKQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b12si8128931edd.600.2021.11.04.10.36.27; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233899AbhKDRik (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 4 Nov 2021 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from verein.lst.de ([213.95.11.211]:36185 "EHLO verein.lst.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233896AbhKDRij (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Nov 2021 13:38:39 -0400 Received: by verein.lst.de (Postfix, from userid 2407) id ACAA76732D; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 18:35:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 18:35:59 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: "Darrick J. Wong" Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Eric Sandeen , Dan Williams , Mike Snitzer , Ira Weiny , dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: futher decouple DAX from block devices Message-ID: <20211104173559.GB31740@lst.de> References: <20211018044054.1779424-1-hch@lst.de> <21ff4333-e567-2819-3ae0-6a2e83ec7ce6@sandeen.net> <20211104081740.GA23111@lst.de> <20211104173417.GJ2237511@magnolia> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20211104173417.GJ2237511@magnolia> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 10:34:17AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > /me wonders, are block devices going away? Will mkfs.xfs have to learn > how to talk to certain chardevs? I guess jffs2 and others already do > that kind of thing... but I suppose I can wait for the real draft to > show up to ramble further. ;) Right now I've mostly been looking into the kernel side. An no, I do not expect /dev/pmem* to go away as you'll still need it for a not DAX aware file system and/or application (such as mkfs initially). But yes, just pointing mkfs to the chardev should be doable with very little work. We can point it to a regular file after all.