Received: by 2002:a05:6358:701b:b0:131:369:b2a3 with SMTP id 27csp27712rwo; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlGf3zL/cHJjam19JOR+XJ0TweHLosaPl1E18Ikp5QYnBEbAgvcDco2Ry+L5idxw6HklGFd7 X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a515:b0:1b9:d38d:efb1 with SMTP id s21-20020a170902a51500b001b9d38defb1mr2711082plq.8.1689951981587; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1689951981; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=xDVdmmgYbAQ96izA0arxFLp7MH3DAynweusihI19QKP91Xbwf2n8x4Onf4UDiwWqGI RXQIKw6umAyaroUAnMWplXakm5Y0S32L1kcvwOnqb3usO4BQxKlFZInrOXtCc49J/6Gh uuDeyVk8PqmJn2GbCOqXYbH0JvRuG0/lYCBhoa1Usa/iOq3baNG3wedqZoDNHD4Prv2d sEXRTj8GSbnXG9wgktiz6Q/DinrI4y5Mj1msEjFnSid+HHoEbwKMW44Jxb5IElfuaYlN Iffh5XpAtt10WHeJGIW8Cio43Nf3DdiZ1cPRfxRK703qJ6t3W5Jm3X4XDrilW/bSVzo8 AeFA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :references:in-reply-to:message-id:date:subject:cc:to:from; bh=+hR9WzW0+mrZRfWFdoYxZnQ+ppXyL4vkJfv+QdPLTf8=; fh=jgN4w07WuRc/1yAsvQ/eUZZKB2m5ipYz5BXFYF+7cso=; b=mbk4FvjvUpfdkUtqIGs82kM+F4hFt3UU+sF4XwGp2RmBenEMtDUTjsWTU3i+EIC6+B X0qWPuM/JX8KaG7uxDyVJLL2JV/+SGxboLzF9VYVv4c1FcFp1yzzP2wQk5DWKU2sPeTN qdQ5WWhXWJe4+eKl69T5DdZchK7O7zvUZCirMdyruvheHJzwNU7P7iAtqFT1y2MGL6GH jPtx0lLx9PwdlzDnNCryWHUNDNrDmjyzyF+/cxfFhPqMrCjcOxwyKN1RuYfRmpiFd/NN 2NNlUJNKHWWdtNFrRO4wP1rSLmcORAgNupMxRJXSGBkcIvQqju6m2aad+HTZ8WBs+Wl4 1rFA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email. [2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u13-20020a170902e5cd00b001b9e82a6beesi3503065plf.548.2023.07.21.08.06.00; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231231AbjGUOvk (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:51:40 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34316 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231266AbjGUOvj (ORCPT ); Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:51:39 -0400 Received: from mail.lichtvoll.de (lichtvoll.de [IPv6:2001:67c:14c:12f::11:100]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEBEC171A; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 07:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lichtvoll.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2FE274C065; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:51:31 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mail.lichtvoll.de; auth=pass smtp.auth=martin smtp.mailfrom=martin@lichtvoll.de From: Martin Steigerwald To: Theodore Ts'o Cc: "Alan C. Assis" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Forsman , Kai Tomerius , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, Ext4 Developers List , dm-devel@redhat.com Subject: Re: Nobarrier mount option (was: Re: File system robustness) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:51:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4918028.0VBMTVartN@lichtvoll.de> In-Reply-To: <20230721133526.GF5764@mit.edu> References: <20230717075035.GA9549@tomerius.de> <38426448.10thIPus4b@lichtvoll.de> <20230721133526.GF5764@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o - 21.07.23, 15:35:26 CEST: > > At least that is what I thought was the background for not doing the > > "nobarrier" thing anymore: Let the storage below decide whether it > > is safe to basically ignore cache flushes by answering them (almost) > > immediately. > > The problem is that the storage below (e.g., the HDD) has no idea that > all of this redundancy exists. Only the system adminsitrator who is > configuring the file sysetm will know. And if you are runninig a > hyper-scale cloud system, this kind of custom made system will be > much, MUCH, cheaper than buying a huge number of $$$ EMC storage > arrays. Okay, that is reasonable. Thanks for explaining. -- Martin