From: dwalsh@redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:40:39 -0400
Subject: [refpolicy] dual mailing list (was Question: and the
	policy	grows...)
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On 03/18/2011 01:14 PM, Guido Trentalancia wrote:
> Hello again Christopher !
> 
> On Fri, 18/03/2011 at 09.45 -0400, Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
>> On 03/17/11 15:40, Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17/03/2011 at 12.44 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>>> On 03/17/2011 12:04 PM, Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 17/03/2011 at 10.25 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>
>>>> I think getting people to go in and examine the policy and ask
>>>> questions, why do we have these rules would be helpful.  Maybe we setup
>>>> test days, or something to remove bogus policy.
>>>
>>> There is at least the limit of not having many people on this list
>>> compared to most other Linux projects. Perhaps security is considered
>>> something boring to the average user/developer. Or even more likely
>>> SELinux is still perceived as "difficult to get into" (a documentation
>>> issue).
>>
>> I think theres two things.
>>
>> 1. People don't actually care about security, especially if it
>> complicates/hinders what they're trying to do.  Most people seek
>> security measures as a reaction to a security breach.
>> 2. Of the people that have some interest, SELinux is typically seen as
>> too difficult.  We've been working on improving this for years.
> 
> I have an idea.
> 
> Things will probably improve considerably if you manage to set up two
> separate mailing lists: one for the end-users and one for the
> developers. This mailing list will coincide with the latter.
> 
> This is common practice in open source software. The cost is minimal
> (reconfiguration of an existing mailing list server and update of a few
> existing web pages and documents).
> 
> Most of the time users are facing common issues and could help each
> other. Archived message would make a knowledge base. Developers could
> voluntarily spare some time on the end-user mailing list and at the same
> time could benefit from important feedback that is not an explicit bug
> report.
> 
> Of course the same could be done for SELinux with similar benefits and
> cost.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Guido
> 
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There is a fairly active list for SELinux users although distribution
specific

selinux at lists.fedoraproject.org

I also monitor most other Fedora users lists for mention of SELinux.
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