Return-path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]:22268 "EHLO an-out-0708.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932983AbXBEO4F (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:56:05 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so1037352ana for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:56:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e4733910702050656v5739c03ta3fa6563ed1236a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:56:04 -0500 From: "Jon Smirl" To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" Subject: Re: SoftMAC vs FullMAC Cc: "Michael Buesch" , "Pavel Roskin" , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <43e72e890702050028s33645f3exf8b1f97a783925e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: <9e4733910702040922n63736d27h7ab027dc90ae8989@mail.gmail.com> <200702042007.29357.mb@bu3sch.de> <9e4733910702041144n277facd1g6af9c4659afc6d39@mail.gmail.com> <200702042111.17005.mb@bu3sch.de> <9e4733910702041246s750fc8ach73e29a8c17727145@mail.gmail.com> <43e72e890702050028s33645f3exf8b1f97a783925e@mail.gmail.com> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 2/5/07, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > just because it makes our lives easier. MS may have done what they did > to help with their development efforts but it doesn't mean it was > necessarily good for technology. We want to work with vendors to > support their devices regardless of how stupid their design is -- > ultimately our job is to support hardware for our users and not take > on political quests to dictate the path of technology. I wouldn't say MS did this for political reasons, I believe it was more for technical reasons based on the simple observation that the host CPU was 5-10 times the speed of the coprocessors. The dumb Ethernet card design was also lower cost which expanded the market. 3COM actually came up with NDIS and then MS adopted it. For the 'smart' card vendors they then had to implement the stack all the way up to the NETBIOS layer without help from MS. They weren't shut out, but they got no support either. The burden of software implementation, plus the fact that the cards were 10x more expensive and slower, led to their ultimate failure. Looking back on this NDIS really helped the LAN industry by commoditizing the hardware. The market hugely expanded since the hardware was dirt cheap and very easy to use. -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com