Return-path: Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:49877 "EHLO mailhub.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751126AbXCEBFH (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:05:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:05:08 +0100 From: Adrian Bunk To: Andrew Morton Cc: Matt Mackall , Johannes Berg , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, yi.zhu@intel.com, jketreno@linux.intel.com, linux-wireless Subject: Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager) Message-ID: <20070305010508.GK3441@stusta.de> References: <20070304220857.GH23311@waste.org> <1173051564.6131.13.camel@johannes.berg> <20070305002550.GI23311@waste.org> <20070304164525.349f9589.akpm@linux-foundation.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-Reply-To: <20070304164525.349f9589.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 04:45:25PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:25:50 -0600 Matt Mackall wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:39:24AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > > > [adding linux-wireless to CC] > > > > > > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:08 -0600, Matt Mackall wrote: > > > > Recent kernels are having troubles with wireless for me. Two seemingly > > > > related problems: > > > > > > I don't think they are related actually. > > > > > > > a) NetworkManager seems oblivious to the existence of my IPW2200 > > > > > > This is due to the recent sysfs restructuring I think. IIRC the fix is > > > to upgrade hal to a current git version. > > > > If that's the cause, the fix is to back out whatever was done to break > > userspace. Breaking userspace is not ok. Upgrading from 2.6.x to > > 2.6.x+1 should not entail replacing substantial parts of userspace, > > especially with NOT-EVEN-FRAKKING-RELEASED-YET CODE. > > yep. Adrian, I think we should track this as a blocking regression, at > least until we've fully understood the implications and had the usual > arguments. I'm currently tracking it as one of the 31 2.6.21-rc regressions that are not yet fixed in Linus' tree, and for me each of them is a blocker until proven otherwise. Whether Linus releases 2.6.21 despite blocking regressions is a different question... cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed