Return-path: Received: from mog.warmcat.com ([62.193.232.24]:49149 "EHLO mailserver.mog.warmcat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752837AbXCST5o (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:57:44 -0400 Received: from armbox7.home.warmcat.com (cpc1-nthc5-0-0-cust289.nrth.cable.ntl.com [82.29.29.34]) by mailserver.mog.warmcat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5041D8CAD2 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:57:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from meerkat.home.warmcat.com (flatcat [192.168.0.77]) by armbox7.home.warmcat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E10FFBE for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (meerkat.home.warmcat.com [127.0.0.1]) by meerkat.home.warmcat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147CE18D1D67 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:57:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45FEEB34.1000403@warmcat.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:57:40 +0000 From: Andy Green MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Faking powersave for fun and realtime channel muxing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Hi folks - If you could generate and manage powersave protocol frames to an AP from the mac80211 stack, without actually putting the radio to sleep, you could do some interesting things. For example you could allow any logical network interface to have a different channel. In this case, during the time that the channel you are associated on has been told you have gone into powersave mode, you can actually spend time on that other channel, before switching the channel back to check in with the AP. So you could for example run monitor mode on channel 11 while being associated on channel 2, given the limitation that sometimes you aren't listening because you are taking care of business on channel 2. This can surely lead to ripping out all the "scanning" stuff and ioctl(s) from kernel mode and doing it from a regular interface using the existing Monitor semantics. Depending on the limitations of the time you can arrange to "sleep" with the AP, using this technique you could even associate multiple logical interfaces to APs on different channels despite they are sharing one physical radio. That could be cool for dealing with realtime selection of the best channel/AP when the guy is mobile, for example. Is there something like firmware constraints or the detail of the powersaving protocol that kill this dead or is it possible to consider? -Andy