Return-path: Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.24]:54225 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751110AbXCEAsw (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:48:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:45:25 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Matt Mackall , Adrian Bunk Cc: Johannes Berg , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, yi.zhu@intel.com, jketreno@linux.intel.com, linux-wireless Subject: Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager) Message-Id: <20070304164525.349f9589.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20070305002550.GI23311@waste.org> References: <20070304220857.GH23311@waste.org> <1173051564.6131.13.camel@johannes.berg> <20070305002550.GI23311@waste.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:25:50 -0600 Matt Mackall wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:39:24AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > > [adding linux-wireless to CC] > > > > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:08 -0600, Matt Mackall wrote: > > > Recent kernels are having troubles with wireless for me. Two seemingly > > > related problems: > > > > I don't think they are related actually. > > > > > a) NetworkManager seems oblivious to the existence of my IPW2200 > > > > This is due to the recent sysfs restructuring I think. IIRC the fix is > > to upgrade hal to a current git version. > > If that's the cause, the fix is to back out whatever was done to break > userspace. Breaking userspace is not ok. Upgrading from 2.6.x to > 2.6.x+1 should not entail replacing substantial parts of userspace, > especially with NOT-EVEN-FRAKKING-RELEASED-YET CODE. yep. Adrian, I think we should track this as a blocking regression, at least until we've fully understood the implications and had the usual arguments.