Return-path: Received: from cvs.openbsd.org ([199.185.137.3]:9448 "EHLO cvs.openbsd.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1767258AbXDETlC (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:41:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200704051937.l35JbSQh011320@cvs.openbsd.org> To: Pavel Roskin cc: Michael Buesch , Joseph Jezak , Stefano Brivio , Marcus Glocker , Jon Simola , Theo de Raadt , Martin Langer , Danny van Dyk , Andreas Jaggi , Larry Finger , Quaker.Fang@sun.com, Johannes Berg , John Linville , Greg kh , bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, license-violation@gpl-violations.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD bcw: Possible GPL license violation issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:31:27 EDT." <1175801487.19303.52.camel@dv> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:37:28 -0600 From: Theo de Raadt Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 12:48 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > No, your message offered that he can come begging, because that is the > > best that thieves may do. > > > > Come little dog, come beg for forgiveness. > > > > You are a very poor example of humankind. > > Theo, > > I'm a member of linux-wireless list, an occasional contributor to > bcm43xx and a MadWifi developer. > > It has been a few months ago that I was feeling bad for another OpenBSD > driver developer. The MadWifi team asked him to relicense parts of the > driver (so called openhal) under GPL so that if would be easier for us > to erase the boundary between the HAL and the rest of MadWifi and > eventually integrate it into the Linux kernel. Which OpenBSD devleoper did you feel bad for? Reyk? Reyk was going to relicence it? HAHAHA. Man have you ever got it wrong. Reyk totally gets to decide that, since he wrote it -- and he said NO you repeatedly. In the end, he asked ME to stop you guys from mailing him. How do you think you can rewrite history when the person who has sole license (Reyk) will say your history is totally false? Reyk was THRILLED that I finally told you guys to get lost > We got a message from you, which was rather abusive, and it just made > impossible for that OpenBSD developer to do anything but to deny our > request. I was feeling bad for him, because it was his code. I would > not want to be in a similar situation. The Linux people who wanted our atheros dirver got a numerous NICE reply messages from me Reyk and me saying NO, THE DRIVER WILL NOT BE RELICENCED. It got to the point where we were receiving one message requesting it every few days, and then you guys even sicked Lessig on us, to have him request the same. Why did we have to relicence it? Oh my -- we were told that "No, Linus will not let a BSD driver into the Linux tree". As if we care for that problem. It was exceedingly rude how we received the same requests, over and over and over, week after week after week. Eventually, yes, we were rude and very strong: OVER OUR DEAD BODIES THE ATHEROS DRIVER WILL NOT BE RE-LICENSED TO BE GPL OR DUAL. PERIOD. You guys had a choice to listen the first few times. You were assholes to request it week after week after week. Don't go rewriting history. There was never any point in time when it was going to be relicenced, and if you want to be sorry for what happene with Reyk, you can go and apologize to him for perstering him so long. > Now you are asking us to be sensitive towards somebody who just took the > code under GPL and put it under BSD license without asking any > questions, nicely or otherwise. What Marcus did was an accident. You REFUSE to believe it was an accident. The driver has now been deleted. Do you feel better? > I'm sorry, but your Harlequin show is woefully unconvincing and > out-of-date. Knowing something about you, I think a "sensitive OpenBSD > developer" is an oxymoron. > > I don't want to fan the flames anymore, so it's probably my one and only > posting regarding this topic, unless you give me a good reason to reply. > But please don't try. > > -- > Regards, > Pavel Roskin >