Return-path: Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]:11656 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751575AbXFHUKL (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:10:11 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1425069pyi for ; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <43e72e890706081310j47ed891cl1ebb132e65517db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:10:10 -0400 From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" To: "Jouni Malinen" Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] mac80211: Set low initial rate in rc80211_simple Cc: "Jiri Benc" , "Michael Wu" , "Larry Finger" , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20070608183446.GJ14078@devicescape.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed References: <200706072205.27902.flamingice@sourmilk.net> <20070608112146.2df3608c@griffin.suse.cz> <20070608145821.GD14078@devicescape.com> <43e72e890706081112k76e17827t4c66dbccdcee0e03@mail.gmail.com> <20070608183446.GJ14078@devicescape.com> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 6/8/07, Jouni Malinen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 02:12:57PM -0400, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > On 6/8/07, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > >There are some odd cases, where disabling the lowest supported rate may > > >even be required due to regulatory rules.. > > > Just curious -- are you aware of a regulatory domain where this is the > > case? Who defines those rules? For example, AFAICT FCC only talk about > > power, and spectrum ranges. Where would I even look for these type of > > restrictions? > > I don't remember all the details, but one case I've heard of was about > a rule that specified high bandwidth wireless operations and what > exactly would be high enough to be acceptable. And no, this was not > from FCC. Unfortunately, I do not have any good pointers for where to > look for this type of restrictions in an easy to use form (as in > something that I could easily understand ;-). :( We'll have to just start capturing and documenting these type of weird regulatory anomalies on the wiki. > One related issue is the requirement for not transmitting continuously > for longer than a quite short time period before sensing the medium > again (this is from Japan). This may require at least fragmentation > based on TX rate (i.e., if low rate is used, fragmentation threshold > needs to be set lower) and in some cases, it may just be easier to drop > the lowest TX rates completely to avoid frames that may take long time > to transmit. Wow, aren't those regulatory requirements breaking the spec? I wonder if loading a different rate algorithm depending on regdomain would do the job in a case like this. Luis