Return-path: Received: from smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.181]:43662 "HELO smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1761548AbXGYAnO (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: <46A69CA1.5020706@seclark.us> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:43:13 -0400 From: Stephen Clark Reply-To: Stephen.Clark@seclark.us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Miller CC: jeff@garzik.org, jketreno@linux.intel.com, axjslack@bluebottle.com, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] Request for help... References: <46A6A447.2080903@linux.intel.com> <46A69359.4030201@garzik.org> <46A69998.7020108@seclark.us> <20070724.173529.48529759.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20070724.173529.48529759.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: David Miller wrote: >From: Stephen Clark >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:30:16 -0400 > > > >>I find it really sad that a hardware vendor that is willing to write >>and develope drivers for Linux for their hardware aren't helped more >>by "the community" or is the "the community" only interested in >>hacking drivers where the manufacturer give no or minimal support? >> >> > >This is a massive mischaracterization of reality. > >I agree with every statement Jeff has made, Intel really is a problem >child in this area, and consistently so. > >The only way we could "help them" more is to take over the code base >and do the development for them. > >The thing you should find truly sad is how Intel handles these >situations time and time again, rather than the tireless attempts of >Jeff and others to education them on how to improve the situation. > > > So if someone in "the community" really wanted to help Intel why don't they take the code Intel posts to the ipw3945 ml and put it into where ever it is really supposed to go? Instead of whining how Intel doesn't do it right. -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)