Return-path: Received: from mga06.intel.com ([134.134.136.21]:52554 "EHLO orsmga101.jf.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755186AbXGXXJf (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <46A6A447.2080903@linux.intel.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:15:51 -0700 From: James Ketrenos MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Garzik CC: "John W. Linville" , Stephen Clark , ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Axj Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] Request for help... References: <1185289332.46a61474a444c@mail.bluebottle.com> <20070724161226.GA24344@tuxdriver.com> <46A64503.1080003@seclark.us> <20070724203035.GG24344@tuxdriver.com> <46A66B63.6030006@garzik.org> In-Reply-To: <46A66B63.6030006@garzik.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Jeff Garzik wrote: > There is a reason why we say "release early, release often." If > wireless developers don't hear from Intel on a regular basis, The "community" vs. "Intel" slant is really getting old. *WE* are part of the community. *WE* have submitted patches. *WE* have done work to bring wireless forward. *WE* are wireless developers. It isn't Intel's fault that certain people have historically made it so difficult to get code to into wireless-dev's mac80211 (and eventually *maybe* upstream) that contributors have decided to focus on getting their code out to users through other means. A version of mac80211 being available out-of-tree with features not found in wireless-dev isn't the problem. The problem is that people have made it too difficult to innovate and develop in wireless-dev. *That* needs to change. James