Return-path: Received: from ist.d-labs.de ([213.239.218.44]:37652 "EHLO mx01.d-labs.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753712AbYJXNHI (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:07:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:45:21 +0200 From: Florian Mickler To: Thomas Winkler Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: New iwlwifi 3945 uCode available Message-ID: <20081024144521.3943a0a3@schatten> (sfid-20081024_150728_513834_4E7C6916) In-Reply-To: <1ba2fa240810220528w6b2e4e60k7d2390328d9b5c49@mail.gmail.com> References: <1224613633.10863.43.camel@rc-desk> <1224624324.28639.9.camel@johannes.berg> <1ba2fa240810211433q2e7a13b2p45cb8d38a74393c9@mail.gmail.com> <1224624899.28639.17.camel@johannes.berg> <20081021213814.GM17268@tuxdriver.com> <1ba2fa240810211453y40739183v84999364c89886ee@mail.gmail.com> <1224627187.9386.103.camel@californication> <1224628088.10863.100.camel@rc-desk> <20081022100758.GA27595@infradead.org> <1ba2fa240810220528w6b2e4e60k7d2390328d9b5c49@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/zUdqeuCq64KgZCoyhNDkqB."; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: --Sig_/zUdqeuCq64KgZCoyhNDkqB. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I'm a 3945 user and am quite happy with everything. Thx for your good work! But: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:14 +0200 "Tomas Winkler" wrote: >=20 > The objective of the objections is not that we want to immensely hurt > users but rather the trade off between maintain even uglier code and > users running buggy firmware versus logging into older kernel and > downloading new firmware in 5 minutes looks to me not proportional. > Distro users that pull updates won't even notice. I might be wrong > though. more so like 10 minutes, if you are quick to grasp what happened.=20 if 1000 encounter this problem, that's 10000 minutes wasted, thats 7*24 hours. That's some annoying big waste of time! keep in mind that that breakage _will_ waste the time of other people and that those people are your fellow cutting-edge-kernel testers and developers!=20 but then again, if the new firmware is really superior in many cases, that might be worth it? i mean, if people forget that they are annoyed because the device now performs super ueber cool... or smth like that.. it might pay off (from a user perspective)...=20 so my hope: you avoid breakage and keep people happy! That is also good for your karma (whatever that is)=20 Sincerely, Florian p.s.: if i think more about it: all my non-linux colleagues refer to such breakages as "the linux-expirience"... my linux friends would refer to such stuff as "the gentoo-expirience" ... but in my book stuff like this just sucks... --Sig_/zUdqeuCq64KgZCoyhNDkqB. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkBw2YACgkQPjqCkyL3Kv09vACghrBvaBOSFE7350jakejXqupR eN0AoJs50tJv4hGcUfTwO7CQ0LIcnSSG =u5ak -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/zUdqeuCq64KgZCoyhNDkqB.--