Return-path: Received: from charlotte.tuxdriver.com ([70.61.120.58]:37304 "EHLO smtp.tuxdriver.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753531AbYJFVkA (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:40:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:39:09 -0400 From: "John W. Linville" To: Johannes Berg Cc: Dan Williams , Greg KH , Kalle Valo , proski@gnu.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: at76_usb driver status Message-ID: <20081006213909.GN3448@tuxdriver.com> (sfid-20081006_234007_480745_1957549B) References: <20081002210742.GA27221@kroah.com> <87y713y48r.fsf@nokia.com> <20081005061603.GB28533@kroah.com> <1223306593.31040.33.camel@dhcp-100-3-195.bos.redhat.com> <20081006183520.GA17647@kroah.com> <1223323940.31717.3.camel@dhcp-100-3-195.bos.redhat.com> <20081006203118.GG3448@tuxdriver.com> <1223325748.3778.30.camel@johannes.berg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <1223325748.3778.30.camel@johannes.berg> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:42:28PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 16:31 -0400, John W. Linville wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 04:12:20PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 11:35 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > > > > I'll gladly drop it from drivers/staging when the "real" version hits > > > > mainline, until then, it should stay in staging, as that is the whole > > > > point of it. > > > > > > It does nobody any good if (a) the drivers are _never_ going to go > > > upstream, and (b) if the drivers aren't going to get any attention in > > > their current form because of (a). > > > > > > I don't care if the driver allows peoples hardware to work; I want a > > > driver that makes peoples hardware work _well_. Out of tree drivers > > > that are never going upstream will not work well. > > > > I think/thought the main point of -staging was to give drivers > > visibility in hopes of people working to fix them. > > Shouldn't then the mac80211-based at76_usb be in -staging instead? That > one might not work completely, but at least it's fixable without a > rewrite. Yes, probably so. That is what I had planned to send to Greg, but I was thinking that the version currently in wireless-testing probably won't compile against -staging (which is based on 2.6.27). John -- John W. Linville Linux should be at the core linville@tuxdriver.com of your literate lifestyle.