Return-path: Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com ([209.85.217.16]:64361 "EHLO mail-gx0-f16.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759294AbYJJRv2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:51:28 -0400 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1055047gxk.13 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <43e72e890810101051w7ef39193h3a4473a0c8a4965e@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20081010_195135_090349_FBFFADB2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:51:27 -0700 From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" To: "Johannes Berg" Subject: Re: Vendor support stickers for devices supported under Linux wireless Cc: drago01 , "linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" In-Reply-To: <43e72e890807311019x1c4baa43t622c776999bec152@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <43e72e890807301327j54be2453r836964c708d75458@mail.gmail.com> <43e72e890807301358r6d8cadc1j4f40b501319fb7dc@mail.gmail.com> <1217498887.10489.138.camel@johannes.berg> <43e72e890807311005l3fd7823ej68497586ec9ff6bc@mail.gmail.com> <1217524322.10489.148.camel@johannes.berg> <43e72e890807311019x1c4baa43t622c776999bec152@mail.gmail.com> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Johannes Berg > wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:05 -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> >>> > I would also add to the contract a requirement to offer Linux support >>> > for, say, the next five years. >>> >>> Not sure if we should call it a contract unless its understood its an >>> informal contract with the community. >> >> There has to be some form of contract. The logo is copyrighted, >> obviously, so there has to be a contract for you to be allowed to print >> it on a box. > > Heh, Whatever makes the copyright holders happy :) I suspect the > copyright holder are after the community's best interests anyway. > >>> Also I don't think we should be >>> specific about a time frame for support -- its difficult enough to get >>> the driver upstream, not that its not possible I just think it we >>> should strive to at least get vendors to properly support Linux by >>> submitting their drivers for upstream into Linus' tree. Support tends >>> to come naturally after that :) >> >> Because sometimes there are users who care. I think though that the >> vendor should participate in future development by testing and fixing >> their driver, for at least a period of time. Five years may be too much, >> given the current chip livetime maybe one or two would make sense, >> kernel releases are only roughly every three months. >> >> Mind you, I wasn't talking about user support, but rather development >> support, kinda like a SUPPORTED tag in the MAINTAINERS file. > > This seems reasonable. If we can formalize on this it would be great. Luis