Return-path: Received: from kroah.org ([198.145.64.141]:59583 "EHLO coco.kroah.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751363AbZG3SQn (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:16:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:13:17 -0700 From: Greg KH To: Dan Williams Cc: Johannes Berg , Ivo van Doorn , Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz , Luis Correia , Mike Galbraith , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, LKML , "John W. Linville" Subject: Re: [wireless] rt2870sta BUGs on shutdown, 2.6.30.2->git.today+git.wireless.today Message-ID: <20090730181317.GA27543@kroah.com> References: <1248945770.7910.24.camel@marge.simson.net> <200907301517.57811.bzolnier@gmail.com> <200907301852.28172.IvDoorn@gmail.com> <1248973862.22552.4.camel@johannes.local> <20090730172657.GA8266@kroah.com> <1248977083.24886.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <1248977083.24886.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:04:43PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 10:26 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:11:02PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 18:52 +0200, Ivo van Doorn wrote: > > > > > > > [some text expressing his frustration] > > > > > > This is exactly why I was against staging all the time. Now suddenly > > > "The Crap" seems like a viable alternative. WAKE UP PEOPLE. The code is > > > not useful. Just look at the code that Mike pasted into his email. That > > > alone should be enough to send cold shivers down your spine! > > > > Hm, "useful" is in the eye of the beholder. > > > > There is no driver in the mainline kernel tree for this device, so a > > "normal" user has no chance of getting it working, right? That's why > > -staging is working, there is a semi-working driver, and most > > importantly, people willing to help out getting it working better. > > > > The combination of the two is what works here. > > > > So please, I understand your frustration on a lack of people helping out > > with out-of-tree wireless drivers that don't quite work properly, but > > please, that has NOTHING to do with the staging drivers. > > > > Meanwhile, I'm off on the driver-devel list helping Mike fix this > > problem, which seems simple enough to solve... > > Except that the energy you're now investing in fixing this could have > gone into rt2x00, and we would come out ahead in the end. Instead, the > energy is sapped away by something that will *never* be mainlined. On the contrary, I would have never spent any time working on rt2x00 :) And are you trying to tell people _what_ to work on here? That's a slippery slope... thanks, greg k-h