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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:55:23 -0700
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Subject: Re: Current status of rt2800usb and staging/rt2870
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
<bzolnier@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:56:05 John W. Linville wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 04:52:40PM +0200, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:09:24 John W. Linville wrote:
>> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:57:57PM +0200, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Several months later (after all current users are happy with the improved
>> > > > drivers) the old drivers will be removed from staging..
>> > >
>> > > I _really_ hope this isn't the standard.  By that measure, nothing
>> > > will ever leave staging as _someone_ will always have some use case
>> > > that makes the other driver better for them.
>> >
>> > Doesn't seem to be the case with all other drivers except wireless ones
>> > and the only real reason why wireless ones are so special is because of:
>> >
>> > "But then there's the users, who bitch about everything and simply do
>> > not understand what it is at stake.
>> >
>> > And all this is becoming way too messy for us to handle.
>> >
>> > Personally all I see around me is people bitching and complaining, and
>> > no code being ported."
>> >
>> > attitude which pretty much explains the problem..
>> >
>> > Please adjust the process to fix the problem yourself or if you do not
>> > want to do it just make the room for people who do.
>>
>> Alright Bartlomiej, you've had your say.  Perhaps you should go about
>> your business now.
>>
>> John
>>
>> P.S. For the record, the "But then there's the users..." quote is
>> from someone else...
>
> ..but you're still fine with its content, right?
>
> I also wonder who is really taking advantage of who here (your other mail)..
>
> You're holding users as hostages to pressure vendors to fund your projects
> and try to lure outside developers with the lovely perspective of doing
> the hardest parts of said projects.
>
> I don't have a have a problem with it personally as long as people accept
> the competition..  but instead of working on _their_ projects they go around
> screaming at everybody who does not want to spin inside the great process
> designed by them..

I hear fishing in Poland is great this time of year.

  Luis