Return-path: Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:53270 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751253AbZKDGfm (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:35:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:34:33 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Johannes Berg Cc: Marcel Holtmann , Dmitry Torokhov , David Miller , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linville@tuxdriver.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Please consider reverting 7d930bc33653d5592dc386a76a38f39c2e962344 Message-Id: <20091103223433.23765578.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <1257234299.28469.25.camel@johannes.local> References: <20091103053156.GA3212@core.coreip.homeip.net> <20091102.224957.32364226.davem@davemloft.net> <20091103065238.GE3212@core.coreip.homeip.net> <1257232587.3420.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257234299.28469.25.camel@johannes.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:44:59 +0100 Johannes Berg wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 16:16 +0900, Marcel Holtmann wrote: > > > and can we please stop jumping the gun here and going past the subsystem > > maintainers. I think this happens a little bit too much lately. > > I'll rant a bit too -- I've been very annoyed by this many times. Problem is, subsystem maintainers are very unreliable. Right now I'm sitting on 17 patches which I think should be in 2.6.32, which I need to plead with subsystem maintainers to take a look at. They've already seen the patches (usually at least twice) and they've just blown them off. This is typical. And then there are the 100 to 200 non-critical patches which I'm always sitting on, similarly ignored. And I'm increasingly just ignoring stuff nowadays because this situation is so bad. And then there are all the bug reports which flow in one ear and out the other. Now, some subsystem maintainer are good, and some aren't. I'm probably the only person who could write the detailed list for each column. Unfortunately, people who have better lives than me are best off assuming that a subsystem maintainer is unreliable. If the problem is severe enough, bypassing the maintainer is a sensible default.