Return-path: Received: from mail.redfish-solutions.com ([66.232.79.143]:50783 "EHLO mail.redfish-solutions.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751279Ab0EaUau (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 May 2010 16:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <4C041BEA.2010303@redfish-solutions.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:28:26 -0600 From: Philip Prindeville MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Gardiner CC: David Miller , dunc@lemonia.org, kalle.valo@iki.fi, kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Network QoS support in applications References: <87my01m0zm.fsf@purkki.valot.fi> <4B5EF5DF.2070005@lemonia.org> <4B9942A7.40205@redfish-solutions.com> <20100311.112754.142886660.davem@davemloft.net> <4B9944A0.5080308@redfish-solutions.com> <4BF32B2B.6010202@redfish-solutions.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 5/31/10 1:30 PM, Ben Gardiner wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Philip A. Prindeville > wrote: > >> On 03/11/2010 12:29 PM, Philip A. Prindeville wrote: >> >>> On 03/11/2010 12:27 PM, David Miller wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: "Philip A. Prindeville" >>>> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:21:11 -0700 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> And yes, there will always be misbehaving users. They are a fact of >>>>> life. That doesn't mean we should lobotomize the network. We don't >>>>> have an authentication mechanism on ICMP Redirects or Source-Quench, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Which is why most networks block those packets from the outside. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Nor is ARP authenticated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Which is why people control who can plug into their physical >>>> network. >>>> >>>> None of the things you are saying support the idea of having >>>> applications decide what the DSCP marking should be. >>>> >>>> >>> Does "decide what the DSCP marking should be" include complying to the recommendations of RFC-4594? >>> >>> >> If anyone cares, here's an update: >> >> I've submitted patches for QoS configuration for: >> >> APR/Apache (stalled); >> Proftpd (committed); >> Openssh (pending review); >> Firefox/Thunderbird (reviewed and on-track for commit); >> Cyrus (committed); >> Sendmail (submittted and acknowledged, but not yet reviewed); >> Curl (stalled); >> >> All, as per the request of the maintainers, default to either no QoS >> markings or previous RFC-791 QoS markings if that's what they already >> supported (Proftpd and Openssh). >> >> If anyone can think of anything else that needs to be supported to >> impact a significant portion of network (or enterprise intranet) >> traffic, please call it out. >> > wget [1], like curl, is used for downloads of artifacts by some build systems. > > [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/ > > Ok, but I'm not sure that changes anything... what I was asking about was other services not enumerated: not how the above services are used. Sorry that wasn't clear. -Philip