Return-path: Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:35184 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754970Ab0KSSGO (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:06:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:06:11 +0100 From: Kurt Garloff To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" Cc: Michael Green , "John W. Linville" , "wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org" , Johannes Berg , "linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE Message-ID: <20101119180611.GJ12228@tpkurt2.nue.garloff.de> References: <20100525151429.GC6342@tpkurt2.garloff.de> <1290029817-711-1-git-send-email-linville@tuxdriver.com> <93781E992CBA7843962D8B0E7D683F3C163340D5AE@SC1EXMB-MBCL.global.atheros.com> <20101119020414.GB2512@tuxdriver.com> <20101119091450.GD12228@tpkurt2.nue.garloff.de> <93781E992CBA7843962D8B0E7D683F3C16334843DD@SC1EXMB-MBCL.global.atheros.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BGgIwWq/3j+YJTiK" In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: --BGgIwWq/3j+YJTiK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luis, thanks for explaining. Michael, This is about Germany (DE) not Danmark (DK) ... Devices without DFS would not have worked before in Germany. Best, --=20 Kurt Garloff, VP OPS Partner Engineering -- Novell Inc. SUSE: Supporting Linux since 1992. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 09:12:55AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > No Michael, let me review the patch with you and I'll comment on each > change it makes to make it clear to you. The lines with no - or + on > the left mean that the line is left intact, its present just for > reference. The lines with - mean that the line is being removed. The > lines with + mean that the line is being added. So we have: >=20 > # entries 279004 and 280006 > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) > - # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002 > - (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > + # entry 303005 > + (5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR >=20 > So the 5150 - 5350 range is being reduced to 5150 - 5250 and removing > DFS as a requirement for that range. >=20 > + # entries 304002 and 305002 > + (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS >=20 > The removed bit of frequency gets added back but with DFS left as a requi= rement. >=20 > # entries 308002, 309001 and 310003 > - (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS >=20 > And finally, the 5470 - 5725 range now is being changed to allow > outdoor operation. >=20 > Let me know if this makes things clearer. >=20 > Luis >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Michael Green > wrote: > > Is the issue that the regdb currently limits DK to 2.4GHz operation (5G= Hz is disabled)? > > > > If I understand this email string, then clearly DK should be corrected = to enable 5GHz operation. > > > > I believe DK should be set to the same 5GHz channel and power settings = per the Harmonized standard EN301 893. This is true of all countries that a= ccept CE Marking. > > > > If this patch/issue is about something else, then please let me know. > > > > tks, > > > > Michael Green > > Atheros Communications, Inc. > > mgreen@atheros.com > > Desk: =A0 +1-781-400-1491 > > Mobile: +1-508-380-4921 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Garloff [mailto:garloff@suse.de] > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:15 AM > > To: John W. Linville > > Cc: Michael Green; Luis R. Rodriguez; wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.or= g; Johannes Berg; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org > > Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE > > > > John, > > > > enjoy your birthday! > > > > Michael, > > > > enjoy vacation! > > > > I submitted this change 6 months ago. > > I was surprised that my ath9k device would not do anything in the 5GHz = band unlike all neighour countries, found out that this is due to the regul= atory DB and started studying the regulations to see whether it's justified. > > > > A few days certainly don't make a difference here. Review carefully whe= n you can get to it next week. > > > > Best, > > -- > > Kurt Garloff, VP OPS Partner Engineering -- Novell Inc. > > SUSE: Supporting Linux since 1992. > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:04:14PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > >> FWIW, I'm out on Friday anyway -- it's my birthday! :-) > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:23:42PM -0800, Michael Green wrote: > >> > Hi guys, > >> > > >> > I am on PTO until Monday. Do I need to read this now and respond or = can it wait? =A0I am not asking you to hold anything up due to me. But if y= ou want me to give feedback on something, pls let me know if it can wait un= til Mon. > >> > > >> > Michael Green > >> > Atheros Communications, Inc. > >> > mgreen@atheros.com > >> > Desk: =A0 +1-781-400-1491 > >> > Mobile: +1-508-380-4921 > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Luis R. Rodriguez [mailto:mcgrof@gmail.com] > >> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:29 PM > >> > To: John W. Linville; Michael Green > >> > Cc: wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org; Johannes Berg; Kurt Garloff; > >> > linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org > >> > Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM, John W. Linville > >> > wrote: > >> > > From: Kurt Garloff > >> > > > >> > > http://marc.info/?l=3Dlinux-wireless&m=3D127480075306482&w=3D2 > >> > > > >> > > Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" > >> > > Acked-by: Johannes Berg > >> > > Signed-off-by: John W. Linville > >> > > --- > >> > > Time to clear the logjam... > >> > > >> > Michael, are you subscribed to wireless-regdb now? Did you get this = e-mail? ACK? > >> > > >> > =A0 Luis > >> > > >> > > =A0db.txt | =A0 24 +++++++++++++++++------- > >> > > =A01 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) > >> > > > >> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt > >> > > index e63a43e..40a8bbc 100644 > >> > > --- a/db.txt > >> > > +++ b/db.txt > >> > > @@ -176,17 +176,27 @@ country CZ: > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS > >> > > > >> > > -# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008), > >> > > -# downloaded from > >> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/13358.pdf > >> > > -# Also applicable is > >> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf > >> > > -# On the 5 GHz ranges TX power can be doubled if TPC is implement= ed. > >> > > +# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008), > >> > > +downloaded from # > >> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38448/pub > >> > > +licationFile/2659/Frequenznutzungsplan2008_Id17448pdf.pdf > >> > > +# For the 5GHz range also see > >> > > +# > >> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38216/pub > >> > > +licationFile/6579/WLAN5GHzVfg7_2010_28042010pdf.pdf > >> > > +# The values have been reduced by a factor of 2 (3db) for non TPC > >> > > +devices # (in other words: devices with TPC can use twice the tx = power of this table). > >> > > +# Note that the docs do not require TPC for 5150--5250; the > >> > > +reduction to # 100mW thus is not strictly required -- however the > >> > > +conservative 100mW # limit is used here as the non-interference > >> > > +with radar and satellite # apps relies on the attenuation by the > >> > > +building walls only in the # absence of DFS; the neighbour countr= ies have 100mW limit here as well. > >> > > + > >> > > =A0country DE: > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# entries 279004 and 280006 > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) > >> > > - =A0 =A0 =A0 # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002 > >> > > - =A0 =A0 =A0 (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > >> > > + =A0 =A0 =A0 # entry 303005 > >> > > + =A0 =A0 =A0 (5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR > >> > > + =A0 =A0 =A0 # entries 304002 and 305002 > >> > > + =A0 =A0 =A0 (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# entries 308002, 309001 and 310003 > >> > > - =A0 =A0 =A0 (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > >> > > + =A0 =A0 =A0 (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS > >> > > > >> > > =A0country DK: > >> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > >> > > -- > >> > > 1.7.3.2 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> -- > >> John W. Linville =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Someday the world will= need a hero, > >> and you linville@tuxdriver.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0migh= t be all we have. =A0Be ready. > >> > > > > > > >=20 --BGgIwWq/3j+YJTiK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFM5ryTxmLh6hyYd04RApwNAJ4z1rQ+ZglNsEtIkj9AASevqlTSsgCcCJIF 43aQFgAVrfFj0l3vnMHnb9I= =OGkw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BGgIwWq/3j+YJTiK--