Return-path: Received: from mail-yi0-f46.google.com ([209.85.218.46]:60022 "EHLO mail-yi0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754028Ab1FWMWD convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:22:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:22:01 +0800 Message-ID: (sfid-20110623_142217_625988_E48BCAC7) Subject: Re: [ath9k-devel] Disabling the third antenna for AR9380 in ath9k From: Adrian Chadd To: Mohammed Shafi Cc: Fred Matthews , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath9k-devel@venema.h4ckr.net, ath9k-devel@lists.ath9k.org, susinder@qca.qualcomm.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: As I said, there's a value in the ath9k code that gets set based on the chipset type. static void setup_ht_cap(struct ath_softc *sc, struct ieee80211_sta_ht_cap *ht_info) in init.c That should be all you need to do to communicate to the higher layers that you only support 2 streams. You're checking the wrong place. You're seeing _TX_ errors, but what you're not seeing (likely because you don't have a 3 stream peer) is that you're still advertising supporting MCS0->24, so peers may send you MCS16->24 even though you can't receive it. The correct way is to patch the driver to only enable 2 streams in the HT capability setup, so mac80211 and the rate control code only advertises MCS0-15 and TX'es MCS0-15 respectively. (You have to do this as well as disabling the third chain btw.) Adrian On 23 June 2011 20:16, Mohammed Shafi wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Fred Matthews wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Regarding streams used in Minstrel RC, I found that in "net/mac80211/rc80211_minstrel_ht.h", at line 16, there is "#define MINSTREL_MAX_STREAMS ?3", that sets the number of streams for minstrel RC. >> >> Now can someone help to pass this onto debugfs, so that we can change from 3 streams to 2 streams at runtime like the rx_chainmask. I tried creating a u8 stream_number and struct dentry *dbg_stream_number in the header file, then a debugfs_create_u8 in the c file. Then used it to redefine MINSTREL_MAX_STREAMS, but when I tested this I got errors, therefore, can anyone kindly share a patch to do this correctly. > > hi, > > i am not familiar with the minstrel rate control, but as you had asked > I grep'd for MINSTREL_MAX_STREAMS to see if we can quickly add a debug > entry to change it. but usage like this below suggests we can quickly > hack the macro to 2 rather than adding a debug entry > > const struct mcs_group minstrel_mcs_groups[] = { > ? ? ? ?MCS_GROUP(1, 0, 0), > ? ? ? ?MCS_GROUP(2, 0, 0), > #if MINSTREL_MAX_STREAMS >= 3 > ? ? ? ?MCS_GROUP(3, 0, 0), > #endif > > >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mohammed Shafi wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Fred Matthews wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I used that command to disable the third antenna, and applied it to both AP >>>> and STA AR9380 NICs. >>>> I then performed an IPerf test between both and then captured the statistics >>>> from the sender, (below) . >>>> You can see that in rc_stats (minstrel), the rate control actually >>>> "attempts" sending on 3 stream MCSs (16-23) around 256 times each. >>> >>> just a guess. as we are changing the chain mask via debugfs and there >>> may be a chance we may not have informed the minstrel rate control >>> which is maintained in upper layer(mac80211) and it might be taking >>> what we have configured the chain masks while we had initialized the >>> device and i have very little idea about ministrel rate control >>> >>>> >>>> Is there any way to prevent the RC from even attempting those rates, as if I >>>> where to fully imitate an AR9280, it shouldnt attempt at those MCSs. >>> >>> may be we can try with ath9k rate control, and see what happens which >>> is within the ath9k driver and affects xmit.c and it may have been >>> informed of the chain mask change. >>> >>>> >>>> Can Susinders comments also be detailed. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> >>>> # cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/netdev\:wlan0/stations/00\MAC/ >>>> >>>> AUTH >>>> ASSOC >>>> AUTHORIZED >>>> WME >>>> ht supported >>>> cap: 0x11ce >>>> ? ? HT20/HT40 >>>> ? ? SM Power Save disabled >>>> ? ? RX HT40 SGI >>>> ? ? TX STBC >>>> ? ? RX STBC 1-stream >>>> ? ? Max AMSDU length: 7935 bytes >>>> ? ? DSSS/CCK HT40 >>>> ampdu factor/density: 3/6 >>>> MCS mask: ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 >>>> MCS tx params: 1 >>>> 792 >>>> 150 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 60 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff >>>> a40 >>>> -77 >>>> 0 >>>> type ? ? ?rate ? ? throughput ?ewma prob ? this prob ?this succ/attempt >>>> success ? ?attempts >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS0 ? ? ? ?6.6 ? ? ? 99.9 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ?163 >>>> ? ? ? ? 230 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS1 ? ? ? 13.1 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 75 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?75 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS2 ? ? ? 19.3 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ?252 >>>> ? ? ? ? 252 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS3 ? ? ? 25.4 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 75 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?75 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS4 ? ? ? 36.2 ? ? ? 97.5 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ?413 >>>> ? ? ? ? 474 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS5 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?76 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS6 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?80 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS7 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS8 ? ? ? 13.1 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 75 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?75 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS9 ? ? ? 25.4 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 70 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?70 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS10 ? ? ?34.2 ? ? ? 92.2 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 79 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?82 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS11 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?76 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS12 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS13 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS14 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS15 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS16 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?75 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS17 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?68 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS18 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?85 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS19 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 257 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS20 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS21 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS22 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT20/LGI ? ?MCS23 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS0 ? ? ? 13.6 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 75 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?75 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS1 ? ? ? 26.5 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 72 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?72 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS2 ? ? ? 38.3 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 73 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?73 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS3 ? ? ? 49.7 ? ? ? 99.9 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 70 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?73 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS4 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 10 >>>> ? ? ? ?1220 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS5 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS6 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS7 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS8 ? ? ? 26.2 ? ? ? 98.9 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 73 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?74 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS9 ? ? ? 49.3 ? ? ? 99.2 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 67 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?69 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS10 ? ? ?20.5 ? ? ? 28.9 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 14 >>>> ? ? ? ? 255 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS11 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 257 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS12 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS13 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS14 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS15 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS16 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?74 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS17 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS18 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 255 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS19 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS20 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS21 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS22 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/LGI ? ?MCS23 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS0 ? ? ? 15.1 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 70 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?70 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS1 ? ? ? 29.2 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 72 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?72 >>>> HT40/SGI ?t MCS2 ? ? ? 38.5 ? ? ? 91.3 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 81 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?83 >>>> HT40/SGI ? PMCS3 ? ? ? 54.3 ? ? ? 99.5 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ?66536 >>>> ? ? ? 67803 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS4 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS5 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS6 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS7 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS8 ? ? ? 29.2 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 67 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?67 >>>> HT40/SGI T ?MCS9 ? ? ? 54.6 ? ? ? 99.9 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? 310227 >>>> ? ? ?312339 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS10 ? ? ?22.7 ? ? ? 29.3 ? ? ?100.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? 14 >>>> ? ? 46.8 Mbits/sec ? ?255 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS11 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS12 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 255 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS13 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS14 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS15 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS16 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? ?68 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS17 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS18 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 255 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS19 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS20 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS21 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS22 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> HT40/SGI ? ?MCS23 ? ? ? 0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ?0.0 ? ? ? ? ?0( ?0) ? ? ? ? ?0 >>>> ? ? ? ? 256 >>>> >>>> Total packet count:: ? ?ideal 365056 ? ? ?lookaround 13702 >>>> Average A-MPDU length: 5.4 >>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:25:36 +0530 >>>>> Subject: Re: [ath9k-devel] Disabling the third antenna for AR9380 in ath9k >>>>> From: shafi.wireless@gmail.com >>>>> To: fredmm@hotmail.co.uk >>>>> CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; >>>>> ath9k-devel@venema.h4ckr.net; ath9k-devel@lists.ath9k.org; >>>>> susinder@qca.qualcomm.com >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Fred Matthews >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Hi all, >>>>> > I am installing the AR9380 NIC on laptops, but some only have two UFL >>>>> > connectors, and thus I was wondering if using only two of the UFL >>>>> > antenna >>>>> > ports will have any negative effect or difference than installing a 2x2 >>>>> > NIC >>>>> > (AR9280 for example which has only 2 ports anyway). Please kindly >>>>> > explain >>>>> > with references if possible. >>>>> > Also for example is there anyway to disable transmission on the third >>>>> > UFL >>>>> > port (antenna) from ath9k or otherwise. >>>>> > Thank you all very much >>>>> >>>>> you can change the tx/rx chainmask for 3x3 AR9380 to disable >>>>> transmission on the third antenna >>>>> cd /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath9k# echo 0x3 > tx_chainmask >>>>> cd /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath9k# echo 0x3 > rx_chainmask >>>>> >>>>> after this, ideally it should operate as 2x2 device as per Susinders >>>>> comments. but if you got AR9280 please try to use that if 2 antenna is >>>>> the constraint. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > ath9k-devel mailing list >>>>> > ath9k-devel@lists.ath9k.org >>>>> > https://lists.ath9k.org/mailman/listinfo/ath9k-devel >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at ?http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> > > > > -- > shafi >