Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:55:50 -0400
From: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
To: Andreas Hartmann <andihartmann@freenet.de>
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Subject: Re: [rt2x00-users] MediaTek Inc. MT7601U Wireless Adapter
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 08:34:34AM +0200, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> John W. Linville wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 07:35:23PM +0200, poma wrote:
> >>
> >> Say, hi fi to everybody!
> >>
> >> Driver "mt7601Usta"(DPO_MT7601U_LinuxSTA_3.0.0.4_20130913.tar.bz2) for the MediaTek MT7601U based wireless adapters - on a sale worldwide, is broken and obsolete.
> >> MediaTek folks, 
> >> please consider the release of an upgraded version of the driver for the current stable Linux kernel, and the upcoming.
> >> Thanks.
> > 
> > It would be much better if the MediaTek folks would just send us
> > patches for the drivers already in the kernel...
> 
> 
> No. Sorry. The existing rt2800-driver is mostly broken and unusable
> compared with the original Ralink drivers. Especially the usb drivers
> are extremely bad. There are huge differences between the ralink usb
> drivers (rt5572sta e.g.) and the rt2800usb driver. The ralink drivers
> are working fine with a few additional patches even with kernel 3.15 and
> with 64bit(!!).
> 
> @MediaTek
> Please provide own drivers as before as the existing rt2800 drivers
> should be reworked completely - but from my point of view they are dead
> since long time now.
> It is much better to have one basically good working driver (which must
> be patched manually to work with newer kernels because newer kernels
> often aren't downwardly compatible - if they would be, there wouldn't be
> any problem even with older drivers. But this is a huge problem of Linux
> at all).
> 
> 
> Regards and thanks to Ralink / Mediatek for providing own drivers!

No.  Sorry.  They are doing the wrong thing.  If Ralink/MediaTek
would cooperate with the community and work through the normal kernel
process like everyone else, their hardware would be fully supported
out of the box just like hardware from other vendors.  Then no one
would have to bother with figuring-out how to get the driver "working
fine with a few additional patches", whatever that means.

By apologizing for them and degrading the rt2800 driver you are only
making things worse.  You should demand better behavior from MediaTek.

John
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