Return-path: Received: from s3.sipsolutions.net ([5.9.151.49]:39538 "EHLO sipsolutions.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751313AbdCNNp7 (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1489499155.10872.1.camel@sipsolutions.net> (sfid-20170314_145112_579606_C91BA798) Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mac80211: Jitter HWMP MPATH reply frames to reduce collision on dense networks. From: Johannes Berg To: Matthias May , Jesse Jones , agreen@cococorp.com, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Cc: Jesse Jones Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:45:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <19214832-030e-2028-49a2-2db087c8c857@neratec.com> References: <58B09082.7020704@cococorp.com> <1488202227.28431.9.camel@sipsolutions.net> <58B487A8.7000602@cococorp.com> <1488443814.8390.3.camel@sipsolutions.net> <1488803913.5761.11.camel@sipsolutions.net> <19214832-030e-2028-49a2-2db087c8c857@neratec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: > Isn't CWmin and CWmax only used for retries? No. > We recently had the problem that on 5MHz channels probe-responses of > APs which can't hear each other (hidden node problem) always collide. I think this is what I neglected - if the APs won't hear each other, all their own sensing and NAV won't help since it'll never be updated. CWmin/max are short enough to not actually matter in this case since they're not long enough to avoid colliding entirely even if one picks the lowest and the other the largest possible value. johannes