From: Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>
To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc: srirrama@codeaurora.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
        ath10k@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] ath10k: DFS Host Confirmation
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 08:04:37 +0300
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        (Adrian Chadd's message of "Mon, 14 May 2018 14:13:13 -0700")
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Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> writes:

> On Mon, 14 May 2018 at 11:25, Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org> wrote:
>
>> Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> writes:
>
>> > May we have a little more information about how this is supposed to
> work?
>> >
>> > It looks like we're supposed to send the information about the matched
>> > radar pattern back to the firmware for confirmation? What's the intended
>> > behaviour from the firmware? Will the firmware have a hard-coded set of
>> > patterns we have to answer in/by?
>
>> That's really an implementation detail inside the firmware and from
>> ath10k point of view we don't care what checks the firmware has, we just
>> provide all the necessary information. The checks in firmware might even
>> change in later releases.
>
>> > I ask (like Peter, we work together) because we've had to tweak this
>> > behaviour a little to actually pass FCC / ETSI DFS certification. My
>> > general concern is that this'll cause a lot of false detects on boards
> that
>> > haven't had things tweaked for the given board. As far as I'm aware the
> DFS
>> > parameters are still hard-coded into the firmware image so if you have
> to
>> > change those you're SOL without the relevant NDAs - this makes running
> the
>> > open source DFS stuff a little tricksy on vendor boards.
>
>> This shouldn't cause more false detections, the pattern detection from
>> ath.ko is still used as before. The firmware will just disable DFS
>> altogether if it thinks ath10k is not compliant.
>
>
> Heh, well the fun one for production for us is "ok, so what's
> non-compliant" ?
>
> Eg - if it's 1 out of 100 that we don't hit the explicit timing
> requirements because of the rest of the linux kernel (eg someone holds a
> spinlock more than they should) then I'd prefer that we got a notification
> that something happened so we can fix it. Otherwise in the field it'll just
> be "hey, our stuff stopped working" because whatever the firmware
> expectations are aren't being met.
>
> Again, we're OK because we can at least inspect what's going on, but not
> everyone doing ath10k development/deployment will be so lucky :(

Sure, every software change can cause regressions. But the thing is that
this isn't an optional, ath10k has to have this to be able to continue
using DFS channels.

-- 
Kalle Valo