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To:     Denis Kenzior <denkenz@gmail.com>, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC 0/1] Allow MAC change on up interface
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Date:   Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:54:54 +0200
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Denis Kenzior <denkenz@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Dan,
>
> On 8/20/19 12:53 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 10:40 -0500, Denis Kenzior wrote:
>>> Hi Johannes,
>>>
>>>> Stop.
>>>>
>>>> Your tone, and in particular the constant snide comments and
>>>> attacks on
>>>> me are, quite frankly, getting extremely tiring.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Look, I'm sorry I hit a nerve, but from where I am sitting, it had to
>>> be
>>> said...
>> 
>> But did it really? And in that way?  There were certainly better ways
>> to go about that response.
>
> The issue is that this isn't the first such occurrence.  There is a 
> pattern here and it needs to change.  So +1 on handling this better.
>
>> 
>> I don't recall seeing a NAK anywhere his email chain (which you'd get
>> with some other kernel maintainers) but instead (a) an explanation of
>> why the proposed solution had some problems, (b) some alternative
>> possibilities and (c) requests for more information so the discussion
>> could continue.
>
> So the cover letter states:
> "Set IFF_LIVE_ADDR_CHANGE on net_device. Note: I know setting this
>     where I did is likely not the right way to do it, but for this
>     proof-of-concept it works. With guidance I can move this around
>     to a proper place."
>
> and I'll leave it up to you to read the first response from the
> maintainer.

I went back and re-read the whole thread, and all I see is Johannes and
James having a technical discussion, and you barging in with accusations
of bad faith. So yeah, going to agree with Dan here; you were not
"hitting a nerve", you were just being rude.

-Toke