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[193.77.158.208]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y5sm1195787wma.14.2019.09.17.11.44.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:44:19 +0200 From: Bob Marcan To: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC 0/4] Allow live MAC address change Message-ID: <20190917204419.41235404@smicro.local.lan> In-Reply-To: <763f4560-ba78-b0e7-6855-fd4bc048ec13@gmail.com> References: <20190904191155.28056-1-prestwoj@gmail.com> <4c43ea6a74cacc61184bc5b1387fecaa40711369.camel@gmail.com> <4909a428ee6fef2bf8b0e61841bc88062f534b13.camel@sipsolutions.net> <896183390a396e8e0508622eceb3664effcb3c30.camel@gmail.com> <87a7b8lciz.fsf@tynnyri.adurom.net> <844f1a1dc72ec73df5a86864b410bbc490c4abdd.camel@gmail.com> <87imprbc0j.fsf@kamboji.qca.qualcomm.com> <763f4560-ba78-b0e7-6855-fd4bc048ec13@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:40:49 -0500 Denis Kenzior wrote: > Hi Kalle, >=20 > > For user experience scanning and DHCP are also important, what kind of = > numbers you get when those are included? No need to have anything> precis= e, I would like just to get an understanding where we are> nowadays. =20 >=20 > Scanning heavily depends on the RF environment and the hardware. In our = testing ath9k takes stupid long to scan for example. >=20 > But in a sort of best case scenario, using limited scan and no mac change= , iwd connects in ~300ms. People have reported that they have not finished= opening their laptop screen and they're connected, so at that level of lat= ency, every millisecond is important and totally worth fighting for. Rando= mizing the MAC would penalize our connection times by 2X (300 ms at least).= And Android folks have reported the penalty to be as high as 3 seconds. = So this needs to be fixed. And do note that this is a feature every modern= OS implements by default. Randomizing the MAC is a stupid decision. Do you realy expect that this will add something to the security? B. Mar=C4=8Dan