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Date:   Thu, 12 Dec 2019 11:45:42 +0100
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Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> On Wed, 2019-12-11 at 15:47 +0100, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote:
>
>> > Say you have some queues - some (Q1-Qn) got a LOT of traffic, and
>> > another (Q0) just has some interactive traffic.
>> >=20
>> > You could then end up in a situation where you have 24ms queued up on
>> > Q1-Qn (with n high enough to not have hit the per-queue AQL limit),
>> > right?
>> >=20
>> > Say also the last frame on Q0 was dequeued by the hardware, but the
>> > tx_dequeue() got NULL because of the AQL limit having been eaten up by
>> > all the packets on Q1-Qn.
>> >=20
>> > Now you'll no longer get a new dequeue attempt on Q0 (it was already
>> > empty last time, so no hardware reclaim to trigger new dequeues), and a
>> > new dequeue on the *other* queues will not do anything for this queue.
>>=20
>> Oh, right, I see; yeah, that could probably happen. I guess we could
>> either kick all available queues whenever the global limit goes from
>> "above" to "below"; or we could remove the "return NULL" logic from
>> tx_dequeue() and rely on next_txq() to throttle. I think the latter is
>> probably simpler, but I'm a little worried that the throttling will
>> become too lax (because the driver can keep dequeueing in the same
>> scheduling round)...
>
> I honestly have no idea what's better ... :)

Right, I guess we'll have to go and measure. Let's leave it as-is for
now, then, and we can adjust in a separate patch.

> You're the expert, I'm just poking holes into it ;-)

And you're doing that very well, as it turns out; thanks! ;)

-Toke